|PawPrint74 - TRANSCRIPT - August 28 - 10:10 to 10:36 p.m. BBT - HOH Room - Lots of interesting things being discussed between Maggie, April and Ivette - TRANSCRIPT
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August 28, 2005 - 10:10 p.m. BBT.
HOH ROOM - IVETTE, APRIL & MAGGIE. MIDDLE OF CONVERSATION APPARENTLY ABOUT JANELLE WINNING THE AMERICA'S CHOICE PHONE CALL. AS THE CONVERSATION GOES ON, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT EVEN THE FRIENDSHIP ARE BEGINNING TO NOT TRUST ONE ANOTHER.
IVETTE: I just don't want my comments to -- you know what I mean?
MAGGIE: Well, but is that what you're talking about?
IVETTE: Yeah. I just don't see how.
MAGGIE: It was a punch in the stomach when Eric didn't come back.
MAGGIE: I'm sure it's along the same lines of the feeling.
IVETTE: You know what I mean?
MAGGIE: Of course I do. That was my partner. I mean, I think it's along the same lines. I had all my hope, all my faith that it was going to be Eric.
IVETTE: But it wasn't -- but it wasn't even about me only. It really wasn't.
IVETTE: And it's being made to seem like it's only about me.
MAGGIE: Well, we all were routing for you. That's got to be a good feeling. If it was the houseguests who would have won...
MAGGIE: That's what we didn't understand. If, like, five out of the seven houseguests were hoping for you to get the phone call, how is not five out of seven every Americans? You know what I mean? That's why we're all -- that doesn't make any sense at all. It only had to be 20 percent -- you know what I mean? -- because if everyone had 16, 17, 18 percent of all the votes, you only needed to have, like, 20 percent of America to get -- less than that. Because if there's seven houseguests --
IVETTE: It just -- I don't see how -- never mind. Never mind.
I heard April whispering to you when I was listening to your music.
MAGGIE: Um-hmm. She wasn't whispering. She was talking to me.
IVETTE: No. She was whispering. I heard her.
MAGGIE: What did she say?
IVETTE: She's concerned about the votes.
MAGGIE: Yeah, we were talking about the votes. Janelle -- that's what we were saying. If Janelle swings her vote and votes for James to stay and you give him a sympathy vote, that's a tie.
IVETTE: But I said I wouldn't give the sympathy vote if we decided not to.
MAGGIE: Yeah, but we said it's fine if you give him the sympathy vote. But then we thought about it, and we were like, it doesn't matter. That creates a tie situation. Bo-Bo already promised to give his vote, and I think he would even if he didn't promise. You know what I mean?
MAGGIE: So all it took is me and Beau. And if it's a tie, it's just April splitting the tie.
I asked Howie today, I was like, "Why are you coming off" -- "Why are giving" -- "wanting Janelle to come off the chopping block? Why aren't you asking for it yourself? Because if it doesn't matter who comes off, wouldn't you feel more security in yourself coming off?"
IVETTE: Yeah. And he said -- I was there.
IVETTE: And he said he wanted her to come off. I don't know what to think anymore.
MAGGIE: You don't want to or you don't have to? What did you say?
IVETTE: I said, I don't know what to think anymore. You know what I mean? [Maggie still didn't understand what Ivette said.]
MAGGIE: I couldn't believe it when Janelle told me that I brainwashed Howie.
IVETTE: She told you that? When?
MAGGIE: When we were in the kitchen today. She said, "The reason Sarah left this house is because you brainwashed Howie." I went, "What?" She goes, "Yeah." [Laughs.] .
[Maggie and Ivette staring at each other in disgust and shock by what Janelle said.]
MAGGIE: Have you ever heard of such a thing?
IVETTE: You brainwashed Howie?
IVETTE: What did you tell her?
MAGGIE: I was sitting up here in that group.
IVETTE: What did you tell her?
MAGGIE: I said, "Can you explain that to me?" She goes, "Well, I don't believe it anymore." I went, "Wouldn't that mean that he's not his own person to make his own decisions when he was HOH?" She was like, "I don't know anymore."
[Maggie and Ivette still pausing in between sentences and staring at each other as if it's the most shocking thing they've ever heard.]
MAGGIE: Can you believe that? She said I brainwashed Howie into -- into getting rid of Sarah.
[Pause. Stare. Look of shock and disgust.]
MAGGIE: People are not willing to take responsibility for their own actions.
IVETTE: Isn't that horrible?
IVETTE: I take responsibility for all my actions. Like, I would never make it such a point to say "It's a group thing." Yes, it's a group thing, but ultimately people are going to decide what they want to decide, so why make it such -- you know what I mean?
MAGGIE: I couldn't believe it. I could just see her saying something like --
IVETTE: Did she say it in front of James?
MAGGIE: No. It was just me and her. It was just me and her. I called her out on it. I said, "Why did you say I was HOH for two weeks? What did you mean?" I called her out on it. I addressed it.
IVETTE: Oh, you did?
MAGGIE: Um-hmm. Don't say things to me unless you can back them up. A lot of things I let go; some things I need clarification about. And that's when she told me, "You brainwashed Howie. That was the other week that you were HOH." That week that we -- all eight of us, eight f*cking people sat in a circle up here.
IVETTE: Did you tell her that?
IVETTE: You didn't tell her that? That it was eight of us.
MAGGIE: Yes, I did. She didn't care. She said I brainwashed Howie. She was up here for that decision. She was one of the eight, so were you.
MAGGIE: But I brainwashed him.
[Maggie conveniently has forgotten about the private conversation she had with Howie in the HOH bathroom, which is when Howie promised Maggie he would nominate Sarah and James. Until that point, Howie had not made a decision.]
[Long pause. Staring with the same look of disgust and shock on their faces.]
MAGGIE: How sh*tty is that knowing that that's probably what will go in to the DR, that they are saying that? And I had no idea. No way to defend myself. Never even heard of that idea. No one ever told me that. That's what they were thinking. Did James tell you that?
IVETTE: He told me -- he told me that they -- that they [inaudible], but I sat there one day and I said to him, "If Sarah leaves or if you leave," I said to him, "I want you to know for a fact that Maggie did not come up with the idea of putting up you and Sarah." I said, "Just so you" --
MAGGIE: He'll never believe it.
IVETTE: Oh, yeah. He's believed it. He goes, "I know you wouldn't lie to me, Ivette." I told him, "I want you to know that that had nothing to do with Maggie -- or Maggie alone." You know what I mean? I made it -- I made it a point to him like five or six times. You can even ask him.
MAGGIE: It doesn't matter.
IVETTE: You're not -- you're not responsible for that, though.
MAGGIE: But I have taken the fall for it. James wasn't even there and Janelle said that to me today. I apparently alone have taken the fall for Howie's HOH. Not Rachel, even though she made decisions for Howie, but me. We were already on separate teams at that point, and I'm taking the fall for their team decision. How the f*ck does that make sense?
I could see -- I know me, Jennifer -- they're saying me, Jennifer and April were the three that got rid of Kaysar. Somehow you and Beau have no responsibility in that. None.
IVETTE: And I sat there and told them that --
MAGGIE: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
IVETTE: Well, how do you know that?
MAGGIE: I heard it today.
IVETTE: They said that we're the ones responsible for it?
MAGGIE: Yep. Me, April and Jen.
IVETTE: I'm sorry. You know, I always make it a point to say that I took just as much part --
MAGGIE: No. It's odd that you and Beau are never getting credit for any of these. That's very odd. That's something that I notice, but it's not something that needs to be addressed.
IVETTE: No, because I don't want it to be seen as odd, because I make it a point --
MAGGIE: It doesn't --
IVETTE: -- to say --
MAGGIE: It doesn't matter. Me and April will take the fall for James leaving. You and Beau won't get blamed for this.
IVETTE: How not? You're not going to be blamed. As a matter of fact, it would be a benefit for you guys right now because it's saving them. Do you understand what I'm saying? You're not -- you're not hurting them in any way. You're helping them. They're going to see you and April as a --
MAGGIE: Yeah, but they will -- they will -- they will say -- I'm sure they will tell James that they have a choice, that -- you know what I mean? I -- it doesn't matter. It -- it --
IVETTE: It doesn't make any sense to me, because I told Kaysar that I suggested him going up and I wanted to get rid of him since week 1.
IVETTE: You know what I mean? And like I told James right now -- I told James, "If you want to get rid of the people who got rid of Sarah, then you're looking at the whole house. Remember that I took just as much part in that." You know what I'm saying?
MAGGIE: But it doesn't matter. I am taking credit for Howie, for Howie's HOH week. Me. On the opposite f*cking team.
IVETTE: Well, I don't want -- well, I don't want to be the one that doesn't take credit for stuff. You know what I mean? I don't want to --
MAGGIE: It's not you not taking credit. It's no one is putting credit on you. No one. I haven't heard you or Beau be responsible for anyone's eviction yet. None. We have that kind of relationship that I can tell you these things and have it not be a problem. It's not a f*cking problem.
IVETTE: Mmm. I don't know why.
MAGGIE: I don't either because you're honest with people, but it doesn't seem to matter. Honesty really doesn't seem to matter in this game. Honesty seems to have taken a back seat in this game.
IVETTE: I mean, I don't know how much more -- someone wants to tell -- like, wants me to tell them, "I'm responsible for it." You would think -- you know what I'm saying? -- it wouldn't be smart of me to say something like that, but yet I walk up to them and I tell them, "Hello?" You know what I mean?
MAGGIE: You have.
IVETTE: I've done that a number of times.
MAGGIE: I know. And that's what I'm saying. Your honesty doesn't matter in this game. That's -- that's what -- you know, people think that I'm looking at -- at James and -- and Kaysar being the only reason that Eric's not here. Janelle and Howie handed Kaysar and James the f*cking situation, but I don't need to be sitting here talking about that.
Everyone's put blame on other people. Howie wants -- Howie doesn't want to have anything to do with that. He's -- you know, he's like, well, Kaysar and -- Howie let's Kaysar and James take responsibility for Eric's eviction. Uh, it took all of you, and your votes certainly counted. You know what I mean? I -- um, everyone doesn't want to take responsibility for things. And the people who say, "Yeah, I was a part of it," it doesn't matter. I have no more part in Sarah and James being gone than anyone else. Like, the Sarah/James weeks, I was one of eight people up here, but I, by both sides, are [sic] seen as the one who did it. Both James and their side said that. There's nothing I can do about that. So many lies have been spun in this game. There's nothing I can do about it. I said I wouldn't compete with lies, and I won't. I can't vent to you about them, but I'm not going to compete with them.
IVETTE: I don't know how he's [Howie] still trying to deny that -- that he didn't give James the veto on the knight thing. You heard him the other day? Remember?
MAGGIE: Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. We saw it clear as day.
IVETTE: I was thinking, like, He's so dumb. We didn't know what was -- you know what I mean? And I was like, He's so dumb. Why would you not come forward to James?
MAGGIE: Do you think Howie and Rachel gave -- they ensured that James got the veto? Who was James up against?
MAGGIE: When they played the candy in the pinata game.
IVETTE: Sarah. I can't comprehend how Rachel, being as smart --
MAGGIE: Do you think they sacrificed?
MAGGIE: Do you think they gave James the veto and sacrificed Sarah just as they said they were going to?
MAGGIE: Sick mother f*ckers.
IVETTE: Maggie, I can't comprehend how Rachel and Howie, knowing how bad James could come back and bite them on the *ss, how they would go out there and mess up something so simple. Maggie, I tell you, when I went out there, I looked at the pinatas. I saw my candies.
MAGGIE: Well, do you remember me saying, "Rachel hasn't dropped the ball once in this game"?
IVETTE: I remember thinking to myself, "Hmm, I have to pick one of these candies, and if I get the veto, I get it." But then I looked at the wall, and the wall had all these numbers. And then he started to explain to me the game, and I'm looking at the pinatas, and I'm going, "Okay. Okay. Ivette, you know, two, four, six, eight, spread them out evenly. Spread them out evenly." You know, then I'm reading the instructions, and then I'm like, "Okay. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to spread them out, two, four, six, eight."
And then I look at the questions, and it's like, "Be careful. More than 20 and you don't get the veto." And I felt like such a dumb*ss. I felt like, "These are one of these things, Ivette, that you mess up and then you later on regret." Like, "How could you be some dumb, Ivette?" I grab my freaking candies, p*ssed as day -- okay? -- that I would waste the time thinking to separate those candies --
IVETTE: Because all it needed to be is highlighted for me just to make me feel like a bigger idiot. I walked up there, and with all this anger, I stuffed those fricking nine candies, and I was just, "oohwah" [disgusted gesture]. And after I was done, I was like [indicating], and I'm like, "Finished. That's it. Done." So I can't comprehend how Howie would read "more than 20, you don't get the veto" and Rachel would read "more than 20, you don't get the veto," and that none of them would...
MAGGIE: We'll never know. They were willing to sacrifice Sarah. James went up again on the chopping block, and he took himself off knowing he was going to be backdoored. We put Kaysar up instead. We'll never know the depths of deception, I don't think. I don't even think getting the videos will tell us the depths of deception in this game. I think there's too much to cover in three hours. [NOTE: Maggie, read Jokers Updates.] I think I'm going to look like a fool.
IVETTE: Why? Why?
MAGGIE: For not picking up on so many things.
IVETTE: Like, I didn't pick up on a lot more than you did. You picked up on couples right away.
IVETTE: Do you think I'm going to be fortunate to get HOH?
MAGGIE: I sure as f*ck hope so.
IVETTE: It's like the only week for sure that we can get rid of Janelle --
IVETTE: -- once again, and we're not going to. It's hard --
IVETTE: It's hard to accept that. It's almost like we should have backdoored her last week.
MAGGIE: Instead of Rachel? If you ask me who I think is more deserving of money, she'd [Janelle] be the last on my list, yet she's staying in the game. But she's staying in the game because we think we can beat her again.
[April enters the HOH room.]
MAGGIE: Why are you sorry?
APRIL: That it took so long.
MAGGIE: It doesn't matter.
MAGGIE: I was watching you the whole time.
[April begins blow-drying her hair in the HOH bathroom.]
APRIL: You don't miss me?
APRIL: Hold on. Let me dry my hair.
IVETTE: She said you don't miss her.
IVETTE: I wonder if my family is even participating in stuff. I mean, do they -- are they paying attention?
MAGGIE: You would think that Tushy would have all of Miami voting.
IVETTE: Lesbian community.
MAGGIE: Latin community.
IVETTE: Even for Eric --
MAGGIE: Well, that's the one that blew my mind more. Actually, everyone who has been watching this show knows that you have nothing from your family. That's what -- that's f*cking unbelievable.
IVETTE: That's why I can't help but think that I look like a really bad person.
IVETTE: I can't help but think that I look like a really bad person.
MAGGIE: That's how I feel too.
IVETTE: You know?
MAGGIE: I'm going to go dry my hair, too. I gotta pee.
APRIL: She doesn't think that her nor Howie will make it to the end because there's four of us and two of them.
IVETTE: Yeah, right.
APRIL: That's what she said.
IVETTE: Awuhhh [sound of disgust]. Her and her dumb*ss reverse psychology.
APRIL: No. I said --
MAGGIE: Hold on.
[Maggie turns on blowdryer.]
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Shhh, shhh, shhh.
[Maggie turns off blowdryer. Maggie, Ivette and April are all being extremely silent.].
IVETTE: [Whispers softly] I don't know who's there.
MAGGIE: [Whispers softly] There are times when I can hear talking from the HOH bedroom downstairs.
[Maggie turns on blowdryer again.]
IVETTE: What happened?
APRIL: We were just talking.
IVETTE: You were talking to her right now?
APRIL: And I was like, "Yeah. It could be really crazy. I was like, "One of y'all could be at the end and one of us." She goes, "No, no, no. There's no way that can happen." She's like, "It's only me and Howie and four of y'all." She goes, "We'd have to win the next two HOHs for that to happen." And that's the deal, is it could happen, but -- but let's say, worst-case scenario, they win it this week. Of course, one of us will go home, but the next week in the HOH, it will be three to one competing.
But, again, you win the POV, you're f*cking off. That's what I'm saying. The POV is going to be very important here soon.
[Maggie finished blowdrying her hair and returns to the HOH bedroom after discussing gross "bathroom" talk with Ivette. Ivette is now in the bathroom.]
MAGGIE: Okay. I missed it. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
APRIL: No. I just -- we were talking down there. And I was like, "Yeah," I was like, "just think" -- we were just talking that we can't believe someone in this house is really going to win 500,000 or whatever.
APRIL: And I was like, "Just think," I was like, "It could easily be one of y'all and one of us down -- at the end." She goes, "No. Hello?" She likes, "There's for of y'all and just me and Howie." She goes, "In order to do that, me and Howie, we would have to win the next HOHs." [Mouth full of food while speaking] They have it planned out.
MAGGIE: Okay. Let me have some of those.
MAGGIE: Thanks. Of course they have it planned out. The plan is just not to lose. It's a great plan.
[Ivette opens the door so she can talk to Maggie and April from the bathroom. She forgets to put her microphone back on.]
MAGGIE: That's everyone's plan.
MAGGIE: Not to lose.
IVETTE: [Inaudible] hers.
IVETTE: [Inaudible] hers.
[Ivette returns to the HOH bedroom.]
MAGGIE: Bo-bo has been spending a lot of time with Howie.
IVETTE: You always think out loud.
APRIL: Yeah, but lately he has been a lot. There's less people here. We don't have --
APRIL: -- many f*cking options.
MAGGIE: No. It's dwindling down.
IVETTE: Plus, Beau does really get tired of hanging out with girls, girls, girls all the time even though he's gay. You know what I mean? He probably needs a little bit of guy.
APRIL: They were all outside. James made a f*cking Philly cheese steak, and it was so good.
[Feeds end. End of transcription. 10:36 p.m. BBT]
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