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It says "New Home. Same Feed" CBS dumped Real Networks. NT

04/05/13 02:24 PM

Luva

04/05/13 03:16 PM

For some reason I thought that was a screenshot from RealNetworks website and that the rumor was false. NT

Did they think a big pic of Shane and Danielle would lure subscribers? lol NT

04/05/13 03:27 PM

Lol! Thats funny. Are they still together i wonder? NT

04/05/13 01:41 PM

b3autiful_cha0s

04/05/13 02:47 PM

were they ever together??? NT

uvp

04/05/13 03:09 PM

According to Jenn City they are not. NT

lol i didn't even notice who it was :) NT

04/05/13 02:48 PM

Belle

04/05/13 02:02 PM

when i read it at first i thought the new home meant a new house lol NT

uvp

04/05/13 01:38 PM

me too NT

bigtimebbfan

04/05/13 03:04 PM

Same here! *Waves to uvp*! NT

GazingEyes

04/05/13 01:41 PM

hi, long time dont see friend. NT

uvp

04/05/13 01:45 PM

Julie Chen's favorite Houseguests of all time ~

Dreamer

2376

02/19/13 02:00 PM

And none for Dan. NT

No, but she has been on record for saying that he was the 'nicest' HG of all time. NT

02/19/13 02:00 PM

TeamMist

02/25/13 03:57 PM

I think the Eddie Haskel routine with "Mrs. Chen" got old really fast & bugged the crap outta her (or maybe that was just me) NT

"Eddie Haskell routine!! Oh I love that dan description too! NT

02/19/13 02:05 PM

Mazita

02/19/13 03:11 PM

"Mrs. Chen" sure did bug me. Her name is "Miss Chen" or "Mrs. Moonves." What was Dan thinking? Stupid ~ NT

Mrs. Chen may be correct because I don't think she took Moonves's name. However, calling her Mrs Chen was dumb. It seemed like fake respect. NT

02/19/13 03:10 PM

Mrs. Chen isn't her name at all. As Julie told Dan, "That's my mother's name." Even if she didn't take his name it would technically be right..

02/19/13 03:36 PM

Exactly, the boy has no natural charisma and tries to make up for it with BS. Look up oleaginous in the dictionary and there's a pic of Dan. NT

02/19/13 04:35 PM

AwfuLeeHandsome

02/19/13 02:33 PM

oleaginous - most excellent word! NT

My favorite definition>Falsely or smugly earnest; unctuous: oleaginous flattery>>>SO Dan! NT

02/19/13 03:44 PM

Mazita

02/19/13 03:09 PM

I looked in an old dictionary and it said it means "oily" NT

02/19/13 04:39 PM

05/18/13 10:06 PM

02/19/13 03:04 PM

The Mrs. Chen stuff was dumb and charisma is in the eye of the beholder but he did have 2 seasons worth of players doing what he wanted them

Well it's nice to hear compliments and nice things about yourself but that doesn't mean the flattrer has any charisma ~ NT

02/19/13 02:57 PM

Agreed. :) NT

bluejay27

03/11/13 12:10 PM

True, but getting the house in two seasons to do what he wanted is an indication he does have charisma. He wouldn't have been so successful without

02/19/13 03:14 PM

I have 7 words for you: "How to Win Friends and Influence People." He & wifey are all about the PR ~ NT

02/19/13 03:38 PM

Are you talking about Will? NT

02/19/13 04:42 PM

02/19/13 04:44 PM

Dan NT

To me it seems more like Will. I never liked him. Talk about sleaze. NT

02/19/13 04:46 PM

Dan uses techniques from books like "HTWFAIP" to "mist" people. His wife is a professional PR person. Not a put-down, just the facts ~ NT

02/19/13 04:52 PM

And Will is a shill on TV. PR is PR...again not an ugly word. I guess it is a matter of preference.

02/19/13 05:06 PM

The trouble with Dan is that it's all PR all the time ~ NT

02/19/13 05:11 PM

I enjoyed Will as a villian......not so with Dan. But I do hate the weird body image stuff with Will like the shaving and Botox--it's weird ~ NT

02/19/13 05:27 PM

Would you rather Will used Nair like Shane did? NT

02/19/13 05:03 PM

It creeps me out the way Will is so obsessed with being hairless and so does the Botox. Shane at least has the excuse that he's a model ~ NT

02/19/13 05:06 PM

lol, they both have a little sheen ;-) I think both were great guests. Don't understand the either or mentality. NT

02/19/13 05:14 PM

Yes they both are entertaining that's for sure ~ NT

02/19/13 04:55 PM

I dont know crazy, just never liked Will. And couldnt stand Dan in his first season but loved him last go round. NT

02/19/13 05:04 PM

keeps me coming back every year. Sometimes disappointed. sometimes entertained. NT

02/19/13 05:01 PM

maybe i remember JC also said Dan won using props and Will did not so i don't know i always thought she just wasn't impressed with how he played NT

02/19/13 05:54 PM

Belle

02/19/13 02:07 PM

Janie and Booger were Will's props. NT

and Nicole, and whatever toothbrush chick's name was ;-) NT

02/19/13 03:23 PM

And will was jani's and boogie's lol NT

02/19/13 03:36 PM

What I'm saying is everyone needs somebody in bb.. But Dan played bb like it was a show.. All the people he used were props NT

02/19/13 03:26 PM

What's wrong with that if it gets him further in the game? They were trying to use him but he did a better job of it. Furthermore, I thought

02/19/13 03:30 PM

its a double edged sword for me..too much is too much..but allegiances mean more to me.. and real friendships.. people have won and had true

02/19/13 03:42 PM

But who do you owe your loyalty to? Someone you just met on a reality gameshow or yourself and your family? If I was playing I'd go all out

02/19/13 06:19 PM

Of course everyone wants to win. But I like the people who at least try to be decent to other people ~ NT

02/19/13 06:32 PM

I bet he cant even sleep at night.. such a shame NT

02/19/13 09:31 PM

02/19/13 06:43 PM

other than the booger, who is Will true friends with? Just curious.

02/19/13 06:48 PM

I'd say Memphis is his friend. That's about it other than surface being nice to each other ~ NT

02/19/13 06:24 PM

oh yeah, I forgot about him. sorry. they do seem like friends..

02/19/13 09:34 PM

02/19/13 09:40 PM

Frankenbooger NT

lol! thanks for having fun with me ;-) NT

02/19/13 09:47 PM

its about being real.. i see nothing real in dan.. some do.. i dont lol NT

02/19/13 09:48 PM

reality shows are a trip. I guess that is why they are fun.

02/19/13 06:30 PM

Nobody said it was wrong so I guess you're assuming. It's just distasteful and unattractive imo ~ NT

02/19/13 09:22 PM

02/19/13 04:45 PM

mmhmm NT

Of course not! Julie's not a psycho ! NT

02/19/13 03:48 PM

`Big Brother' Watches Their Every Movement ~ Wednesday, July 5, 2000

02/19/13 02:03 PM

Dreamer

166

02/16/13 03:50 AM

drew vs hayden - better player?

LyotoM

123

02/13/13 12:55 PM

Hayden because I barely remember Drew at this point :) NT

Same here. I don't remember being thrilled with the Drew season either ~ NT

02/15/13 05:13 PM

Hayden, because he yelled louder in the Diary Room. NT

02/19/13 01:59 PM

CubbyPuppy

02/14/13 07:13 PM

Ian had a horrible social game,let's face it...

11000

500

02/01/13 10:47 PM

Oh my.....NT

I'm having a bad case of deja vu... NT

02/03/13 05:55 AM

Starr

02/03/13 01:58 AM

LOL, I've had that for about 6 months now. NT

Sodium thiopental might help.I think Ian said that and smoking weed helped him. NT

02/03/13 05:11 AM

lol, you two...

Starr

02/03/13 09:19 AM

Ian + Director=Tulane chapter NORML. NT

02/03/13 07:46 AM

Oh, reeeally...hmm. NT

Starr

02/03/13 09:21 AM

Oh lord me too and no goddamn flu shot will help either. NT

02/03/13 09:35 AM

Yet still better than Dan's, whom he destroyed in the finale. Calling Ian's social game "horrible" just makes Dan's that much worse. :) NT

02/03/13 05:49 AM

Sure,the so-called destroyer was puppetted by the so-called destroyee.Only moronic a***oles in a jury denied that. NT

02/02/13 07:22 PM

02/03/13 05:22 AM

And that's the truth! NT

You could not be more right. You could try... but you would not be successful. Agree 1000%. I might submit this for post of the decade NT

02/02/13 10:37 PM

Gorf

02/02/13 10:34 PM

*bows* NT

I didn't see anyone get destroyed.I DID see 4 douchbags vote AGAINST Dan b/c they were bitter or b/c he was a previous winner/coach. NT

02/03/13 10:50 AM

You didn't see anyone get destroyed? Dan had the worst crash & burn final jury performance EVER! NT

02/02/13 07:38 PM

BooYah

02/02/13 07:55 PM

indeed, it was awesome watching him fall apart on live tv. And seeing Ian rise to the challenge and kick Dan's arse was even sweeter! NT

missie

02/03/13 01:08 PM

Not as sweet as seeing little blondie cry in the DR when Dan kicked her a** out the door. NT

It was pretty bad and so embarrassing. Ian squashed him like a bug NT

02/03/13 02:58 PM

LilKsweezy

02/02/13 11:03 PM

Sure did NT

02/03/13 10:55 AM

The jury did that. NT

Yep,Ian did nothing to Dan.The 2-3 farktards on the jury did. NT

02/03/13 07:52 AM

That's what dumbarse Ian would like to think. NT

02/03/13 08:00 AM

Am *I being punk'd?Worse speech than Will's?LOL!Worse than Natalie's Lane's Cowboy's?LOL!! NT

02/03/13 07:49 AM

OMg Cowboy's....I haven't thought about that crapfest in a long time... NT

02/02/13 07:58 PM

But Cowboy still's doing the BB event circuit packing them in wherever he goes. What's Ian doing? Right now he's boxing Super Bowl t-shirts in

02/02/13 08:04 PM

I think Ian is back in school working on his degree in engineering. His parents should be proud. NT

02/02/13 08:11 PM

02/02/13 09:33 PM

02/02/13 09:34 PM

02/02/13 08:20 PM

About Cowboy? It sure seems like anytime I see photos of a BB event that he's there. That's like 8 years or so of doing BB events which seems

From what I have heard tho, he isnt always invited. Sometimes he just shows up and inserts himself. NT

02/02/13 08:22 PM

its ALL he has.... NT

MsRevRay

02/03/13 12:38 PM

LOL. I could see Cowboy doing just that. NT

02/03/13 09:26 AM

Actually, Ian's back at Tulane finishing his engineering degree which he wants to finish by Dec. NT

02/03/13 09:29 AM

But he's probably working in a sweatshop after class. TMZ will probably show footage in a few days to cash in on the Super Bowl connection. NT

02/02/13 08:16 PM

What the hell??? Why...I so don't get this approach....he's out of debt, why would he need to do any of this? NT

02/02/13 08:18 PM

How much money did he give his parents? After he won it sounded like he was going to give them a fair chunk. Between that, taxes, paying off

02/02/13 08:26 PM

They do give a lot of prizes too ~ NT

02/02/13 08:30 PM

He'd pay at least $150K in taxes. Unless he was on a scholarship he would have to pay his own tuition, plus outstanding students loans

02/02/13 09:20 PM

The prize money from BB is considered income. There are tax liabilities owed to both California, and your home

02/02/13 08:34 PM

kaper

02/03/13 06:00 AM

If Oprah paid the income tax for the cars the audience members got, that is also taxable income. NT

I think he said it took 90k to pay off his school and loans. What he has left he invested and hopes to use it on a house in the future. NT

02/03/13 06:07 AM

Did he not buy a fancy bike like he was saying he wanted to do? NT

02/02/13 08:42 PM

02/02/13 08:44 PM

He bought sunglasses. NT

He didn't mention that or sunglasses or his parents. Just 3 or 4k he set aside for hitting the town with his friends through the year. NT

02/02/13 08:48 PM

This is one of the reasons Dan asked him about his school funding before the F4 VC. NT

02/02/13 08:47 PM

After taxes he probably only had about $300k. At least that's what other winners have said. Would depend on state taxes. NT

02/02/13 08:38 PM

That much in taxes? Glad I live in Canada. We'd get the whole enchilada. NT

02/02/13 08:37 PM

I was wondering about that. Will the BB Canada winnings be treated like a lottery win or will they be considered employees of the production

02/02/13 08:37 PM

Good question. I'd think that prize money would be free and clear. Any stipends would be considered income and therefore taxable. NT

02/02/13 08:40 PM

I know if I work in Canada I have to pay both USA and Canadian taxes or give up my US citizenship

02/02/13 09:13 PM

Income tax? Isn't that reclaimable? NT

02/02/13 09:41 PM

If you make a mistake on your taxes you can file an amended return NT

02/02/13 09:48 PM

Whirley

02/03/13 10:35 AM

Yup, I filed one year and then forgot about a 1098-T form that was coming in, it arrived a week later...so I did an amended return and actually got

See, Leeto. You can get money back from governments! :) NT

02/03/13 10:44 AM

Heck no, income tax is not reclaimable. That's the lifeblood of govts. NT

02/03/13 10:46 AM

I've no real knowledge about tax laws. I just had a 6mo. travel assignment in the '80's and had to pay Canadian tax because I made the money there.

02/03/13 04:27 AM

There's tax treaties between most nations to handle double taxation. So if you are American and work in Canada you'd get a credit for the taxes

02/02/13 10:08 PM

Not 30 years later. :) I'm no expert, but I see commercials telling me that if I go to Vegas and win, I have to pay the IRS, but I can reclaim those

02/03/13 12:43 AM

If you win big enough in Vegas, you get a form there for your taxes. Friend of mine goes to Vegas a couple times a year. NT

02/02/13 10:19 PM

You also get to deduct your gambling losses. Unfortunately, that's the part I know about :( NT

02/03/13 09:23 AM

Dang. I can't remember the $$ she told me though, that you had to actually pay taxes on when you won. NT

02/03/13 09:31 AM

W2-G form?Any winnings over $600 is taxed I think.Rate is 25-30% NT

02/03/13 09:37 AM

Yes you get a W2-G form. Taxes aren't taken out. I think you can ask them to do that. But you can offset the income with losses. So unless you win

02/03/13 10:20 AM

Whirley

02/03/13 10:33 AM

Lower than I thought. I was always told it was close to 50% NT

The top marginal rate in the US is 39.6% and that's for income over $400K. There's also state income taxes wchich are usually around 5% depending

02/03/13 10:22 AM

Last couple of games I've started wearing a bag over my head. :) Byfuglien is out due to some fluke pre-game injury in Miami. Ay carumba! NT

02/03/13 10:26 AM

Does Keith Tchaick still play for them? NT

02/03/13 10:30 AM

Tkachuk ended his career with the Blues, I believe, after a few years in Phoenix. He was never in the Thrasher/Jets franchise. NT

02/03/13 10:32 AM

02/03/13 10:35 AM

LOL NT

Why would he do that? He paid off his student loans and invested the bulk of the rest. His biggest challenge right now is adjusting to a regular

02/02/13 08:27 PM

He also has to deal with the fact that he is now a mini-celebrity at his school and will have a bunch of idiots coming up to him out of the blue

02/02/13 08:23 PM

He's already used to that. :) NT

02/02/13 08:27 PM

Good lord, I can only imagine what they all put up with NT

02/02/13 08:29 PM

Bad investments? Trying to woo Tulane Taylor? Trying to take Ash from Frank? NT

02/02/13 08:28 PM

<it's only a joke> NT

02/02/13 08:27 PM

02/02/13 08:30 PM

02/02/13 08:27 PM

Ian's in school, isn't he? NT

02/02/13 08:25 PM

That's what I thought...I thought he was heading back this term.... NT

02/02/13 08:13 PM

He said this week that he's back to school. NT

02/02/13 08:20 PM

He said he was going back but I don't know if he did or not. Dani's definitely in school like she said she would be which adds to the credibility

02/02/13 08:26 PM

Glad she's back in school, if she is, but she still is sort of shy in the credibility department. She implied she was an RN, implied she was in med

02/02/13 08:16 PM

Cowboy is one of my least favorite players ever. Ugh, he was awful on so many levels. NT

02/02/13 09:40 PM

Wouldn't have mattered at that point but if the old format had been in place, I think there may have been a different outcome. NT

02/02/13 08:06 PM

I would call a 6-1 loss "destroyed". It is apt NT

02/02/13 07:57 PM

6 votes cast due to friendship,bitterness,or Dan's previous winner status.None based on gameplay. NT

02/02/13 07:41 PM

Dan burnt bridges with jury votes while Ian didnt. :) NT

02/02/13 07:43 PM

you're kinda hot when you are right ;) NT

02/02/13 07:45 PM

...which is all the time! NT

02/02/13 07:46 PM

Ian burned Frank Ashley Joe Jenn. NT

02/02/13 07:47 PM

...yet still acquired all of their votes. Damn, I guess that means Dan must have done more damage. :) NT

02/02/13 07:46 PM

He acquired their pity.Charity case given the money. NT

02/02/13 07:47 PM

Dan got a pity vote from Danielle. NT

02/02/13 07:48 PM

Dani thought Dan played the greatest game in BB history.She promised him her vote. NT

02/02/13 07:50 PM

lol her opinion on BB is meaningless. Arguably the most delusional person to ever be in that house. NT

02/02/13 07:54 PM

No one can be most delusional in any house that has Ian in it.Bwahahahahaha!! NT

02/02/13 07:55 PM

I know, Ian's latest delusion was that he destroyed Dan in a 6-1 vote... NT

02/02/13 08:00 PM

Ian's latest delusion is that he won for any other reason than they felt pity for him. NT

02/02/13 08:02 PM

I think some of it was b/c they wanted to get back at Dan. NT

02/02/13 08:03 PM

Impossible, Dan played the greatest social game of all-time!!!!! NT

02/02/13 08:06 PM

02/02/13 08:07 PM

02/02/13 09:56 PM

02/02/13 09:35 PM

Would using the pity strategy be better or worse than using the cross around your neck? NT

Thing is Ian never used any strategy. NT

02/02/13 08:06 PM

And he still beat the master ~ NT

02/02/13 08:11 PM

Ian only beat his meat.He got tossed the money. NT

02/02/13 08:16 PM

02/02/13 08:22 PM

Okay, wow.... NT

Too much?Yeah might be.Sorry Ian.He apparently reads the chit I say about him.LOL. NT

02/02/13 08:25 PM

I just don't get what masturbatory inclinations have to do with a discussion on Big Brother...maybe the drugs I did 15 years ago have fried parts of

02/02/13 08:30 PM

02/02/13 08:32 PM

When it happens on the feeds people sure talk about it a lot. NT

02/02/13 09:25 PM

Yeah, see, that so doesn't interest me. NT

02/02/13 08:34 PM

I have to admit that I was interested in Lane's "inclinations" in the shower while tugging on his ear. hahaha NT

02/02/13 08:35 PM

It's locker room talk - NT

02/02/13 09:31 PM

02/02/13 09:28 PM

LOL!!!!!! NT

That's the point Dan should have made to the jury. "Ian only beat his meat. He doesn't deserve to win $500,000!" NT

02/02/13 08:32 PM

02/02/13 08:24 PM

<lol> NT

who rampaged over dan. NT

02/02/13 08:31 PM

CaitlinRoran

02/02/13 08:23 PM

I just saw Dan yesterday.He didn't look rampaged. NT

It was to not blow up bridges like he'd seen Dan do repeatedly. Nobody said it was a good social game played by Ian, it was just better than Dan's. NT

02/02/13 08:42 PM

Dan didn't blow up bridges.He was stacking bodies.Ian stacked just as many but he was the pitiful charity case. NT

02/02/13 08:14 PM

I think Ian did damage too, but I think Dan's was more overt and in a way that the jury couldn't appreciate...which was unfortunate. NT

02/02/13 08:18 PM

Frank saw Ian as a kid,so he forgave him.Dan was Frank's fave BB player and he just couldn't concede he bested him. NT

02/02/13 08:22 PM

No, Ian just did it in a less damaging, hurtful way. Dan went out of his way to hurt his standing in the jury, he was just too dumb to see it. :) NT

02/03/13 08:05 AM

Chit for brains Shane thought the same thing and his vote proved it. NT

02/02/13 08:20 PM

I like to say Dan was doing fine until the Mist evaporated and Dan didn't realize it ~ NT

02/03/13 07:52 AM

Dan's mist obviously didn't stick in the jury house or someone there had better misting powers. NT

02/02/13 08:17 PM

He didn't realize the effect of the mist completely wears off as soon as one person talks to another person NT

02/02/13 08:20 PM

And he kept trying to Mist them even though they were not longer buying it. Made it seem like Dan thought they were stupid ~ NT

02/02/13 09:46 PM

The jury house was overwhelmed with Eau De Bitter. :D NT

02/02/13 09:49 PM

02/02/13 08:21 PM

Only the guys though. NT

A lot of people have been more delusional than Dani. Other than expecting Dan to be with her to the very end what else was she so delusional about? NT

02/02/13 08:23 PM

That she may have cancer, that she had to look in every mirror at her ass, that every little thing in the house had to do with her, that everyone was

02/02/13 07:58 PM

That everyone in the house was in love with her, leering at her, stalking her. NT

02/03/13 09:36 AM

02/03/13 09:33 AM

How did Ian burn Joe? NT

Made an F2 deal with him.Fake for Ian,but real for Joe. NT

02/02/13 07:46 PM

I don't remember a serious, shake on it F2 deal with Joe. I remember some dancing around the topic. NT

02/02/13 07:49 PM

Was there another fake pyro moment that I missed?? DAMMIT why do I miss the good *****? NT

02/02/13 10:11 PM

They didnt vote for Dan, so they must be bitter. lol NT

02/02/13 07:48 PM

Frank & Shane?FARK YEAH!Bitter douchbags. NT

02/02/13 07:39 PM

He did in many ways but I'll love him forever for that night at the hottub when he was sippy and going after Frank. Too funny! NT

02/02/13 07:41 PM

Painter

02/02/13 01:27 PM

I loved that! Also loved him telling Danielle america probably thought Brit was smarter and prettier. Danielle didn't like that and Ian didn't

That's an example of Ian's great jury management. NT

02/02/13 01:34 PM

Yes,I love how he managed Frank's vote,"I'm gonna fark you right back".And Shane's "Wha wha wha",and Jenn's <crickets>

02/02/13 03:51 PM

Shows ya how bad Dan's jury management was ~ NT

02/02/13 04:56 PM

Come on, Dan was a great manager! He managed to get Ian 6 votes! :p NT

02/02/13 07:20 PM

Douchbags who don't understand BB gave a charity case the money. NT

02/02/13 07:41 PM

They seem to have understood it well: dont give the money to a douchEbag that treated them like crap...

02/02/13 07:45 PM

But they did,they gave it to Ian.BWAHAHAHAHA!!! NT

02/02/13 07:54 PM

02/02/13 08:02 PM

02/02/13 07:44 PM

02/02/13 07:42 PM

Dan at least tried with Frank Jenn Dani Shane which Ian didn't even bother to do. NT

Again, shows ya how bad Dan's jury management was NT

02/02/13 07:40 PM

Douchbags gotta be douchers.They can't be anything else. NT

02/02/13 07:43 PM

*sigh* Here we go, eh? NT

02/02/13 07:47 PM

LOL.I'm like Dan.I never quit Never will.If we're on opposite sides,you may dislike me...but if I'm on YOUR SIDE,you'd farkin' love me.LOL. NT

02/02/13 07:52 PM

nobody likes a sore loser...not saying you're one or anything, just in general NT

02/02/13 08:10 PM

nah, I'd feel the same about you no matter which side you were on, LOL NT

02/03/13 01:15 PM

Feeling is mutual sweetie. NT

02/02/13 09:50 PM

02/02/13 10:13 PM

02/02/13 09:51 PM

02/02/13 10:08 PM

02/02/13 07:54 PM

I must be getting old. NT

02/02/13 07:55 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooo! NT

Well, it is the one vote he didn't get :) NT

02/02/13 07:59 PM

02/02/13 03:56 PM

DOH. NT

02/02/13 03:52 PM

YES that was awesome! NT

I think he did, even if it was just a bit, and he was having some fun. NT

02/02/13 03:50 PM

I think he was being honest and it was hysterical ~ NT

02/02/13 01:47 PM

What I liked about that exchange is Danielle was fishing for compliments but Ian didn't recognize it and answered undiplomatically.

02/02/13 07:22 PM

I know - It was comedy gold ~ NT

02/02/13 07:32 PM

Ouch! That's right at the top of every guy's list of things you never, ever, say to a woman! NT

02/02/13 09:36 PM

Chalk one up to Lessons Learned in the BB House for Ian NT

02/02/13 07:27 PM

02/02/13 09:40 PM

Could be. NT

and that was the thing about Ian he isn't aware sometimes that he can be offensive.. because of his social awareness. He didn't do it to be hurtful

02/02/13 01:50 PM

He now admits to getting cocky especially when he was upset and/or drunk. Hell, we all do it ~ NT

02/02/13 01:40 PM

That kid was born cocky.One day his 'tude is gonna get him in a heap of trouble. NT

02/02/13 09:42 PM

It wasn't just when he was drunk or upset. He started marking his water bottle with his comp wins like Frank did and there were those times when

02/03/13 08:03 AM

02/03/13 04:26 AM

Totally agreed. NT

How can you have a good social game if you don't know when you are offensive?LOL!!!!!! NT

02/03/13 05:51 AM

You have the appearance of having no social game at all. People don't feel "gamed." NT

02/02/13 04:51 PM

To me that's just oblivity. NT

02/02/13 05:29 PM

Is oblivity a word? Or is it like y'all? NT

02/02/13 05:56 PM

Not a word. At least it's not in Merriam Webster's Unabridged online version and they seem to have everything you can think of. NT

02/02/13 06:03 PM

It's also in urban dictionary along with y'all. NT

02/02/13 06:08 PM

It's in unwords.com NT

Dreamer

02/02/13 06:15 PM

Y'all is in the regular dictionary too ~ NT

02/02/13 06:18 PM

02/02/13 07:23 PM

02/02/13 07:24 PM

02/02/13 07:28 PM

Originated in 1909. Been in use for over 100 years. NT

Yeah it's a dialect, so it's only used in certain places ~ NT

02/02/13 07:38 PM

Holy god, does it matter? NT

02/02/13 09:44 PM

02/02/13 06:10 PM

That's pretty criax. NT

Criax closed 0.93% up on the Dow as of 2/1/13. :D NT

02/02/13 06:15 PM

If you can make up words, why can't I? NT

02/02/13 06:18 PM

Yours was better, it was a freaking stock name! Technically though, mine was in Urban Dictionaries. ;) NT

02/02/13 06:18 PM

Yours made sense...Leeto's not so much ..... NT

02/02/13 06:25 PM

seriously? I just typed random letters. Urban Dictionary is not a proper dictionary. Y'all ain't a word. NT

02/02/13 07:24 PM

You should come to the Midwest sometime. :) NT

02/02/13 06:29 PM

I remember (as a kid) when my relatives would come to visit, wondering where "yonder" was ~ NT

02/02/13 06:34 PM

Language evolves. New words are created all the time. Hence, Urban Dictionary. NT

02/02/13 07:31 PM

Yeah Urban Dictionary picks up new words before the reg dictionary ~ NT

02/02/13 06:32 PM

Urban Dictionary is a valuable tool. NT

02/02/13 07:33 PM

Exactly and in different parts of the country and world there are various dialects which have things such as 'y'all' and while I'm sure it wasn't

02/02/13 07:38 PM

My apologies. It was only in jest. NT

02/02/13 07:06 PM

I'm not saying language doesn't evolve but the Urban Dictionary is hardly a reliable source of new words in terms of what'll last and what the

02/02/13 07:10 PM

It's irritating to a language purist but it is what it is ~ NT

02/02/13 06:40 PM

Wow, I guess I never put that much emphasis on it. NT

02/02/13 07:35 PM

I'm assuming it mattered to the person asking and maybe those who just want to know. What's wrong with learning something new? NT

02/02/13 06:51 PM

It's a word by Google, but wow anyway. NT

02/02/13 06:15 PM

Concerning BB-related "words," I thought it was funny that the third most looked up word last year was "touche." I'm being dead serious.

02/02/13 06:16 PM

As in the French fencing term 'touché' meaning touch? NT

02/02/13 06:53 PM

Yes. But if a lot of people were looking up "touché" they obviously didn't know what it meant. Watch this clip where they talk about the most

02/02/13 06:57 PM

That was interesting! Thx NT

02/02/13 07:02 PM

Yes, that's the origin. Danielle misused it constantly. NT

02/02/13 08:12 PM

How did she use it? I take it she wasn't conceeding a point in an argument. NT

02/02/13 07:01 PM

She seemed to use it to mean she agreed with a point, not conceding. "It's hot out here." "Touche" NT

02/02/13 07:04 PM

Right. That's how she would use it. LOL. NT

02/03/13 09:41 AM

Yeah, it wasn't conceeding a point but I can't recall specific examples right now. I just remember her using it a lot and using it wrong. NT

02/03/13 09:56 AM

And then Shane started misusing it, didn't he? NT

02/02/13 07:07 PM

Shane misused a lot of words and terms. He would have been a complete disaster giving an F2 speech. NT

02/02/13 10:45 PM

Dan robbed us of hearing Shane's F2 speech. It would have been epic. NT

02/03/13 12:50 AM

'I played a good game, not because of prizes... And clues and stuff...' NT

02/03/13 04:19 AM

LilKsweezy

02/03/13 05:41 AM

I'm still laughing....

I had forgotten about that. His F2 speech would have been even worse than I thought it would be last night. Craziest logic ever! NT

02/03/13 05:46 AM

02/03/13 02:03 PM

Too funny ~ NT

Add in the tank top and you've got yourself a party! NT

02/03/13 12:20 PM

I wonder what he would have worn ot Finale night if he was in the F2

02/03/13 05:46 AM

02/03/13 05:48 AM

"I'm so modelish" NT

He'd throw a bow tie on too. NT

02/03/13 12:22 PM

02/03/13 05:49 AM

Lmfao! NT

I hereby dub this Dan's biggest mistake of the game. Now that would have been comedy gold :) NT

02/03/13 05:45 AM

02/03/13 05:15 AM

YES. Make it so. NT

Danielle misusing that all the time was amusing. Like her saying "y'all" NT

02/03/13 05:48 AM

I'm going to ask the Webster people why they don't have it or what it takes for them to add it into the dictionary. NT

02/02/13 06:57 PM

LMAO! Apparently it does even though you communicated an idea and it was understood. :) NT

02/02/13 06:45 PM

Thanks! NMC made the correct assumption to start with and rolled with it so totally agreed with her and you here. NT

02/02/13 06:15 PM

It's a word. It means the state of being oblivious. (i justlooked it up) :) NT

02/02/13 06:17 PM

Obliviality is a word. NT

02/02/13 06:06 PM

Oblivity? If you mean he was oblivious, I think he was in some social respects. That is disarming. People put their guard down. I don't know how

02/02/13 06:11 PM

I guess Dan thought so too ~ NT

02/02/13 06:03 PM

An example that it wasn't some act that he kept up for three months for game purposes is when he was all alone in the living room and was being

02/02/13 10:39 PM

02/02/13 06:13 PM

Yup. NT

You two may be right. I'm just not sure. Outside the game, before and after, he isn't near as "gosh/golly" naive or unable to make small talk

02/02/13 06:15 PM

It's easier to be "on" during a 10 minute interview once or twice a week and appear composed and articulate. If there were cameras on him 24/7

02/02/13 10:19 PM

02/03/13 04:43 AM

02/03/13 05:50 AM

02/03/13 05:16 AM

02/02/13 10:50 PM

We'll have to disagree on some points. I think he played, but I don't think he was some stealth player either. I don't think he was cloak and dagger

I never found him offensive ~ NT

02/02/13 06:06 PM

Oh, honestly, I do think he's smart enough to know that calling a woman a whore can be offensive. NT

02/02/13 03:53 PM

Did he call someone a whore to their face? I can't remember it ~ NT

02/02/13 03:32 PM

Would it matter though? NT

02/02/13 03:54 PM

Of course! I mean, I don't think it's a big deal to blow off steam or whatever; saying it to someone's face is another story.

02/02/13 04:48 PM

Hmm, not to me. Saying it is saying it and honestly, behind the back is worse to me. NT

02/02/13 10:51 PM

But behind my back someone might be calling me names right now. I'll never be the wiser. If someone said it to my face I'd have to deal with that NT

02/03/13 02:19 PM

This is just me, but a coward does it out of earshot. I agree, easier to take care of if it's in your face, but on Big Brother, everything is in

02/03/13 02:24 PM

Yeah but I always cut them some slack. People forget the cameras are there and people say things. I don't think one is right and one is wrong

02/03/13 02:51 PM

02/03/13 02:55 PM

of course NT

wouldnt bother me a bit! i'm being honest! I would be more hurt if someone said something about my integrity, something like that NT

02/02/13 03:33 PM

What's the old saying, "a whore is a girl who will have sex with everyone but you?" NT

02/02/13 03:38 PM

Game stuff like being called a liar wouldn't bother me but personal comments might depending on what was being said or I might be able to laugh

02/02/13 03:55 PM

But no matter how bad it got, it wouldn't affect your final vote, I'm assuming. NT

02/02/13 03:46 PM

If someone believes in setting aside personal issues to vote on game, it wouldn't matter. NT

02/02/13 03:56 PM

I don't take things, even meanspirited stuff, said about me personally. I get more upset if people talk bad about my friends. NT

02/02/13 04:04 PM

but it wouldn't affect your vote if someone did that? NT

02/02/13 03:59 PM

I don't think it would but can't say 100% for sure. I do usually let things like that roll off my back. The Danielle cancer thing is interesting

02/02/13 04:22 PM

02/02/13 04:27 PM

Yeah same here ~ NT

I'd love to say that none of it would affect me; the way that Will and Dan could just take it and not let it get to them...I'd love to say I could

02/02/13 04:47 PM

Like Dani's cancer lie, could you still vote for her after that if she played the best game? NT

02/02/13 03:50 PM

I would vote on game and nothing else, but I wouldn't spare words describing how I felt about that lie either...(i suspect some won't believe me)...

02/02/13 03:58 PM

I disagree fundamentally; if someone offended me like that I wouldn't vote for them ~ NT

02/02/13 04:03 PM

If everyone felt like that ED doesn't win. NT

02/02/13 04:24 PM

There's only one thing that would offend me, but I don't want to say it for fear of offending someone else. ;) NT

02/02/13 05:04 PM

which is hilarious, because Dan is one! :) NT

02/02/13 03:41 PM

I know, right? So's my oldest brother. We're not allowed to talk politics at family gatherings anymore, but image the discussions that came out of

02/02/13 06:07 PM

it is outlawed in my family as well. :) NT

02/02/13 06:09 PM

02/02/13 06:21 PM

02/02/13 03:47 PM

02/02/13 03:55 PM

Umm.....well it's grand...and it's old...and it's another word for fiesta. NT

Grand?...old?...is it flag?lol. NT

02/02/13 03:51 PM

There is one particular word that always makes me cringe....never ever said it myself. NT

02/02/13 05:05 PM

02/02/13 03:45 PM

Ian? NT

Oh, I've said mine, and I usually vote against it in every election. ;) NT

02/03/13 07:30 AM

02/02/13 03:49 PM

02/02/13 01:41 PM

02/02/13 01:41 PM

I think he did rather well. Winning and all. NT

Season will be remembered as the season Dan lost, similar to season 3. NT

02/02/13 12:51 AM

Kay19

02/02/13 07:51 AM

Only for a few ppl, for many it's the season Ian won, the season Ian beat Dan! :) NT

missie

02/02/13 10:08 AM

Maybe for some. For me, it's the season that Ian won. NT

Yup. Even spread, it'll mean something different for everyone. NT

02/02/13 09:20 AM

It's the season Dan was robbed.One good thing though is that prob no previous winner ever gets Dan'ed again at F2.The BB14 jury is a laughing

02/02/13 10:09 AM

LOL I hope future "master minds" don't play for second place ~ NT

02/02/13 10:08 AM

That's the thing. You take his game as playing for second, I don't think he did. And I think with another jury, or the old format, it wouldn't be a

02/02/13 04:03 PM

Dan knew he had blood on his hands big time. That's a prescription for coming in second ~ NT

02/02/13 04:05 PM

The Dan played for 2nd place argument is a canard. If Dan played for 2nd place then he would not have cared who he was losing to in the F2.

02/02/13 04:25 PM

Of course he hoped he would win it, but he didn't play a winning game. NT

02/02/13 04:11 PM

Dan didn't care who he was sitting next to. He took the 2 people he knew would take him. NT

02/02/13 04:28 PM

But if he was consciously playing for 2nd place he wouldn't have geared things toward going to the end with Ian because the story of getting his

02/02/13 04:26 PM

That's why I'll never understand why Dan didn't take Danielle. Easy win. NT

02/02/13 04:34 PM

Because he lost Part 3. NT

02/02/13 04:49 PM

I thought Dan said he would've taken Ian if he had won it ~ NT

02/02/13 05:10 PM

02/02/13 11:04 PM

On purpose NT

02/02/13 05:31 PM

Where's the proof? NT

The proof is his announced plans that he was going to throw it because it was his best option, the collateral exchange (why propose it if he's not

02/02/13 06:50 PM

He doesn't make the exchange,Ian thinks the F2 is fake.Besides he was taking Ian if he had won.

02/02/13 07:00 PM

So you're saying he purposely didn't take Danielle to the F2. Bad move. He couldn've summed that up in a 90 second speech. NT

02/02/13 07:12 PM

If Dan wins and evicts Danielle does she get freaked? Does he likely lose her vote? That's why he threw it. NT

02/02/13 11:07 PM

Leeto he had a speech prepared for her eviction. NT

02/02/13 07:15 PM

That we never heard about until after the game. He never practiced that while he was practicing his other speach. Why not? NT

02/02/13 08:26 PM

He mentioned the speech finale night.Had it ready. NT

02/02/13 09:56 PM

Because he wanted to give us something to mull over the February after the show was over. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it. NT

02/03/13 01:42 PM

Right, and had he used THAT speech, he would've been destroyed 7-0 NT

02/03/13 05:56 AM

Britney has said that she would have voted for Dan over Danielle so I don't think it would have been 7-0 either way... NT

02/02/13 08:31 PM

bluejay27

02/03/13 06:35 AM

Where did Britney explicitly say that? She usually avoided the Danielle questions in her post game interviews. NT

He wasn't going to use it but it shows he was ready to evict Dani. NT

02/03/13 07:08 AM

No it doesn't. It shows he was throwing part 3 and had no intention of evicting anyone. He made up that ridiculous spiel to evict Dani after the

02/02/13 10:18 PM

Well, no way to quantify that it totally backfired; I loved that speech redo. ;) NT

02/03/13 08:04 AM

Not talking about his jury speech, talking about his "evict Dani" speech. Not funny. Mean. NT

02/03/13 08:12 AM

Different strokes. I thought Dani's cancer embellishment was disgusting myself, or Boogie saying he was going to fly to Michigan to ***** Dan's wife...

02/03/13 08:26 AM

ITA that those things were in very poor taste. NT

02/03/13 08:28 AM

But this is after the game, no more game, making fun of a girl who, nutso or not, had to be very hurt, and, nutso or not, played a huge role in

02/03/13 09:57 AM

But hey! She can be Twitter friends with him and it's all good! NT

02/03/13 08:36 AM

Or they can put it past them and move on, no? NT

02/03/13 12:29 PM

Sure, but they don't have to be friends or stay in touch when they move on ~ NT

02/03/13 12:33 PM

IMO, its more poking fun at the situation than the person. NT

02/03/13 12:35 PM

Exactly. And I think they've probably all put it behind them by this point so I'm not sure why it's an issue beyond a criticism. NT

02/03/13 10:26 AM

Maybe the same reason some keep bringing up how Ian called Kara, of nude photo spread fame, a whore (horror of whores!). NT

02/03/13 11:49 AM

I keep hearing about this, but must have missed it on the feeds. What was the story on that? Why'd he call her that? NT

02/03/13 11:57 AM

Probably a cyclical reaction to the Murtz chat, lines getting crossed again. NT

02/03/13 12:33 PM

Honestly I think for some, it'll be not favorable no matter what's done. Dani has said publicly she doesn't hate him. NT

02/03/13 12:12 PM

Disagree. I'm a Dan fan but I did not like that they did that. He could have been more gracious like he has been with other HGs.

02/03/13 09:20 AM

That's totally fine. I don't see it as big of an issue as some, I think it was said in jest, not to be intentionally cruel. NT

02/03/13 09:27 AM

02/03/13 09:30 AM

But jokes can hurt. NT

Okay. So can being sublime, and so can hanging onto things. There's a lot of things that can hurt. I've been told, here in fact, that not everyone

02/03/13 09:32 AM

The thing is if you put yourself in Dani's place, it's not nice or sportsmanlike OR coach-like, or friendly etc. Not the way to mend bridges 4 sure NT

02/03/13 09:33 AM

Probably so, but this long after the fact, I don't think it's a concern anymore. NT

02/03/13 12:39 PM

But we've seen how things said in jest can offend others. :) NT

02/03/13 12:43 PM

I honestly don't really care. I don't think it was the worst thing in the world, not even close. I could bring up a ton of things that I think were

02/03/13 09:45 AM

I thought it was funny. I was at that Murtz chat, and it was definitely said in jest. Of course, I usually do laugh at inappropriate stuff, so

02/03/13 09:48 AM

I thought it was funny too. Dark humor. But if I was Dani I wouldn't be seeing the humor in it ~ NT

02/03/13 10:08 AM

A lot of people didn't see the humor in her embellishments or dodging them after the fact either, but I hear you. NT

02/03/13 12:42 PM

I think your judgment is just as good as everyone else's. NT

02/03/13 12:43 PM

BTW, what did Dan's wife say that is at issue? NT

02/03/13 10:13 AM

She made a face, like Dani's jaw dropping at Shane's eviction....reminded me of Dan joking about Brit's 'stink eye' look (which Brit laughs about) NT

02/03/13 10:16 AM

LMAO. Now THAT just shows a good sense of humor. Did she do Brit as well? NT

02/03/13 10:18 AM

No. Only HG I've seen her make fun of is Dani, the woman who helped get her $50,000. Dani got me nothing, so I can make fun of her. NT

02/03/13 10:20 AM

I don't remember, but I don't think so... NT

02/03/13 12:04 PM

That's why people like you. :) NT

02/03/13 10:25 AM

02/03/13 10:13 AM

:) NT

It's actually a rather apt analogy if not a jury pleaser. BB14 did kind of turn into a horror show for Dani and Shane. NT

02/03/13 02:17 PM

I love that Shane went out because he thought he was being clever and strategic by having Dan get Ian's blood on his hands and thus gave up the sole

02/03/13 09:54 AM

A moment, etched in time, dripping with irony and blood in equal measure. NT

02/03/13 10:03 AM

I love it that Shane would go on to say that Dan stole money from him. Money he needed to pay for his parents groceries. Shane had the power and

02/03/13 10:07 AM

He even mentioned Marcellus. It was unbelievable. NT

02/03/13 10:18 AM

02/03/13 10:24 AM

That it did. NT

I cut players slack for stuff said in the game even the cancer lie/embellishment. I cut less slack for stuff said post game. I didn't like the

02/03/13 09:57 AM

The redo final jury speech was better than what he said to the jury but it wouldn't have mattered. NT

02/03/13 08:33 AM

Nothing would have on finale night with that format. NT

02/03/13 08:16 AM

Exactly. Why would she hold any loyalty to him if he evicted and used that speech he supposedly had prepared. It sounded funny to his fans but

02/03/13 08:17 AM

If he had used that speech I think they would have had to call the medics in to help Dani. She probably would have gone into shock. NT

02/02/13 08:37 PM

02/02/13 08:42 PM

What speech? NT

The eviction speech he supposedly had planned for Danielle if he won the final HOH. He gave it on the Murtz show. It was something like being

02/02/13 08:39 PM

I thought that Murtz thing was in the worst taste. After Dan totally screws her over (it happens, it's a game, but still) he's hustles off to

02/02/13 08:41 PM

Dani made the same face on Murtz.Get over it.She did. NT

02/03/13 05:21 AM

In that context, I totally get why it was inappropriate. Good old Dan, pleasing the audience at all cost..... NT

02/03/13 02:57 PM

Woah, Dan and his wife did that? How Disgusting! NT

02/03/13 12:58 PM

The thing is not so much what they did, but who they did it to. This is a girl that Dan led to believe he'd be a lifetime "big brother" to, a girl

02/03/13 11:02 AM

I'm gonna say it. He's creepy ~ NT

02/03/13 11:39 AM

I've been saying it for years. I really find him odd. NT

02/03/13 01:00 PM

02/03/13 01:07 PM

02/03/13 01:02 PM

02/03/13 01:04 PM

Okay. Crystal clear. Would have been shocked if you said different. :) NT

IMHO, this is much ado about nothing. From from what I've read, it comes across as a bit of teasing. Not a big deal. No malicious intent. No character

02/03/13 01:16 PM

LOL, it's not much ado as I'm the only one adoing :) NT

02/03/13 11:50 AM

02/03/13 12:00 PM

To be or not to be... NT

LOL.True. :) Is ado a verb? NT

02/03/13 12:13 PM

02/03/13 12:03 PM

Nope :) NT

Then again, I thought the embellishments by Danielle were far worse, as well as Shane's embellishments of her 'surgery', but it was made

02/03/13 12:06 PM

Because Dani wasn't directing it at anyone else. some people lie; Doesn't affect me or anyone else unless she's being mean to someone ~ NT

02/03/13 11:55 AM

Oh yes she was, imo. She was directing it out to anyone that would listen (Dan in this instance), in order to get attention for it. She was a class A

02/03/13 01:03 PM

And in fact, I think in her profession she saw the attention people got for various afflictions and situations, and knew how to work that for herself

02/03/13 01:05 PM

The difference, to me, is I can see how the cancer thing can be seen as offensive. I'm baffled as to what is being found to be offensive here. NT

02/03/13 01:09 PM

Very very very very much so. NT

02/03/13 11:59 AM

Disagree, no need to kick somebody when they're down. NT

02/03/13 11:50 AM

I'm trying hard to see the kicking part. NT

02/03/13 12:01 PM

Open to interpretation, same as the cancer bit, same as the whore bit. NT

02/03/13 12:05 PM

The kicking part: She just lost, she found out Dan screwed her over, her coach, her mentor, her big brother. He then immediately does this interview

02/03/13 12:15 PM

Question, from all honesty, does Kara working in the adult entertainment industry make it more permissible for her to be called a whore, even if she

02/03/13 12:11 PM

Of course not. But Kara wasn't obsessed with Ian, what Ian said was during the game and I don't know the context, and I'm sure Kara did not have

02/03/13 12:18 PM

Personally, and this isn't a knock on anyone b/c I think it could conceivably apply to us all at one point or another, I think a part of it depends on

02/03/13 12:23 PM

She does sell sex, so what Ian said isn't totally false. If Dan really wanted to be friends with Dani he wouldn't have done all that nonsense ~ NT

02/03/13 12:25 PM

I wasn't aware that Kara was a hooker. (She isn't as far as I know...) NT

02/03/13 01:48 PM

Did I say that? Posing nude in Playboy is selling sex. That's what I meant ~ NT

02/03/13 01:55 PM

Depends. The Supreme Court says what she does is perfectly legal. She sells the illusion of sex, not the actual act of sex. Dictionary definition of

02/03/13 01:59 PM

Yeah, it's legal. But Ian maybe doesn't approve of that sort of thing. To each his own. Personally I have no beef with Kara ~ NT

02/03/13 02:03 PM

Me neither, she seems very nice to me. NT

02/03/13 02:06 PM

I see it more as an elbow to the ribs than a kick but I see where you're coming from now. NT

02/03/13 02:10 PM

I think it was in jest, the face, and the speech...we'll definitely agree to disagree on that b/c I loved it. NT

02/03/13 12:17 PM

There was no need to mock Danielle and laugh about it. (could that be considered a personal comment form Dan?) The speech was funny but there was

02/03/13 05:48 AM

I honestly don't care if it would have been used or not...I hope it would have, that was a hilarious speech....perhaps he was channeling Will. NT

02/03/13 05:51 AM

Knowing how Dani must have been feeling at the time having lost the game, found out Dan betrayed her, found out how unpopular she was with the fans...

02/03/13 05:52 AM

I thought the speech was funny but no way he would have given it. I didn't like the mocking for the reasons you stated but I don't think that

02/03/13 08:12 AM

OT: Have I told you how much i like your sig? NT

02/03/13 08:20 AM

Are you a LFC fan? or the first part of it? :) Oh and enjoy TWD marathon today. NT

02/03/13 08:22 AM

Well, that's the angle you're looking at it from. I don't see it the same way, just as I'm sure there's things you see that were fine and I don't.

02/03/13 08:30 AM

If he uses that speech he loses any chance of getting Danielle's vote and thus any chance of winning. Dan wouldn't throw away his chance at the

02/03/13 08:13 AM

We agreed to disagree on the last part you Sneaky McSneakerson. But like I said, that speech was hilarious, I loved it. NT

02/03/13 07:23 AM

Actually you "agreed" to one of my posts where I said he threw it so you agreed to agree. :) NT

02/03/13 07:24 AM

Nice try! But no, I don't. I agree with you on most things but not this, I doubt it's that important as it is, right? NT

02/03/13 07:30 AM

02/03/13 08:19 AM

LOL It's funny, tho ~ NT

LMAO! She would have tried to cast all 7 votes against him by herself. :) NT

02/02/13 11:13 PM

Right after the show she said she promised Dan her vote as long as he didn't evict her. (Just read that earlier today) As such, I'm now thinking that

02/02/13 08:44 PM

02/02/13 07:21 PM

02/02/13 06:51 PM

02/02/13 06:52 PM

I think he would have had a better shot at winning but I think he still would have lost. Probably 4-3 (Shane, Frank, Joe, Ashley).

02/02/13 04:55 PM

Agreed. NT

Excellent. You finally agree Dan threw the final HOH. NT

02/02/13 04:16 PM

I think the jury got it right. Not a laughing stock at all. NT

02/02/13 04:20 PM

Don't let your jaw drop.....but I disagree... ;) Thought I was going to say something else didn't you? NT

02/02/13 01:35 PM

LOL, nope, I think we are both pretty predictable on this topic NT

02/02/13 01:48 PM

02/02/13 01:51 PM

Like death and taxes. NT

Yeah,they are.Almost every link about BB14 I visit the majority of fan comments say Dan was robbed by a bitter jury. NT

02/02/13 01:54 PM

LOL. I think the opposite. There is now a precedent. NT

02/02/13 01:43 PM

i think so too and hope so. NT

02/02/13 10:10 AM

02/02/13 12:37 PM

Bite your tongue. NT

K. Tongue bleeding. What now? :) NT

02/02/13 11:00 AM

Well don't pull an Otto, that's for sure. NT

02/02/13 01:16 PM

02/02/13 01:17 PM

LOL NT

You totally got my reference, I love it! NT

02/02/13 01:18 PM

You really think that?Future juries are current fans/viewers and they must be seeing how the BB14 jury

02/02/13 01:19 PM

That jury was not a jury of BB fans. Wouldn't make a difference ~ NT

02/02/13 10:57 AM

Frank, Britney, Danielle were BB fans, no? Wasn't Joe too? As far as I know only Shane and Jenn were recruits....not sure on Ashley.... NT

02/02/13 04:05 PM

I don't think something like this from a past season would affect that jury. You simply can't make the jury that mad and expect to win. NT

02/02/13 04:06 PM

Who did Dan make mad? And who did Ian make mad?

02/02/13 04:30 PM

they didn't like being made fools of, in a nutshell ~ NT

02/02/13 04:45 PM

I don't think Ashley wasa recruit. She had read Dan's book on how to get onto Reality TV. Although I don't know if she wanted to play BB or just

02/02/13 04:52 PM

02/02/13 04:14 PM

She was an applicant. NT

I'm assuming the latter lol NT

02/02/13 05:08 PM

i think most people get that the jury can vote how they want. NT

02/02/13 04:31 PM

Agreed. And most people get that how the jury voted, and why, will always be critiqued and such too. NT

02/02/13 12:38 PM

02/02/13 12:40 PM

yep!

Nah, it's the season Shane was robbed :) NT

02/02/13 01:05 PM

lol i know you mean it in jest but at one time i thought Capitain America had it in the bag lol NT

02/02/13 10:09 AM

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02/02/13 07:57 AM

02/02/13 09:05 AM

I was about to say he didn't win b/c of his social game until it hit me that social game isn't factually defined. Duh, me. I don't think he did but

Social game is simply how the other players perceive you ~ NT

02/02/13 03:18 AM

02/02/13 04:07 PM

True NT

Social game is how one perceives it. ;) NT

02/02/13 04:20 PM

Most of social game is how you get perceived by others. Ian was perceived as non-threatening, a "kid," easy to use and abuse. He didn't

02/02/13 04:07 PM

Yep. You can play an active social game, trying to engage others, or a passive one, looking non-threatening and non-strategic or a million others NT

02/02/13 09:28 AM

Agreed, there's many different ways to view a social game. Why would you want to skin a cat? NT

02/02/13 04:35 PM

A non-threat?Everyone else in F7[even Joe] wanted him gone.Ian told Frank he had a shitty social game b/c he was on the block every other week,but

02/02/13 10:11 AM

Yeah because he was not really a core member of the alliance like Dan, Shane & Dani ~ NT

02/02/13 09:40 AM

But Ian CREATED the QP...supposedly.LOL!! NT

02/02/13 04:36 PM

02/02/13 05:12 PM

yep! NT

Yeah,benefitted from a bitter jury. NT

02/02/13 12:59 AM

Every person in there wants to take out every other person. NT

02/02/13 12:53 AM

But to not know your allies in there want to cut your dumbarse is beyond

02/01/13 11:47 PM

Thats pretty much normal in BB..I think Ian did quite well considering he was lacking in social skills

02/01/13 11:55 PM

It's normal for allies to want to evict each other?Other than The Brigade who else did that?And Matt is regarded as an idiot for not

02/02/13 12:08 AM

Part of the beauty of it all! NT

02/02/13 05:16 PM

Lets face it... and call it a day.. Ian was lethal :) NT

02/02/13 04:37 PM

The jury was lethal. Ian was smart enough not to throw that last part of the HOH. NT

02/01/13 11:14 PM

he played a great game and totally deserved the win :) love your pic NT

02/02/13 06:51 AM

and he won NT

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02/02/13 06:48 AM

02/01/13 11:26 PM

Thanks! its a keeper NT

But he wasn't so lethal at F4 and lost a puzzle obviously rigged for him. NT

02/01/13 11:27 PM

Lol. : ) I'll play both sides on this one. He was good, though not the most lethal. If it wasn't Dan, then Im glad it was Ian who won. :D NT

02/01/13 11:19 PM

02/01/13 11:19 PM

02/02/13 12:41 PM

02/01/13 11:22 PM

He wasn't real terrible though. He had no real individual strategies as most his game relied on the leadership of others, but his social game is

Yeah remember Jani pointing at Frank and saying, "You're looking at the winner of BB14" (something like that). Nobody would say that about Ian ~ NT

02/01/13 11:08 PM

That's a really good point. NT

02/02/13 04:40 PM

If he'd depended on the leadership of others he'd have stayed with Boogie and Frank, he'd have used his veto on Dan, he'd have thrown part 2 or the

02/02/13 12:11 PM

02/02/13 09:03 AM

All good points ~ NT

But Ian was told by DR NOT to use his veto ball and to work with Brit and Frank.The kid never made his own decisions. NT

02/02/13 04:42 PM

IT'S TRUE.I just watched the flashbacks where this was discussed.Ian discussed this with QP,Brit,and Frank. NT

02/02/13 11:55 AM

not true. DR also told them not to tell people they were going home...he told Brit, he told Frank. He made plenty of his own decisions NT

02/02/13 01:45 PM

I think Boogie made that up.Dan told Jani and Jenn they were not getting the votes. NT

02/02/13 12:56 PM

I agree. Ian made his own decisions in this game; otherwise he would have thrown that last part of the last HOH and many more things...

02/02/13 01:48 PM

This is very true. He had an affiable personna. That said, I don't think his social game was top notch, simply b/c he had no guile, he had no skills

02/02/13 12:59 PM

I agree, CJ. I actually think that Danielle had a better social game than Ian...

02/02/13 03:20 AM

bluejay27

02/02/13 07:46 AM

Danielle played a pretty good game (she knew a lot of what was going on and knowledge is power) and she had a pretty good social game. However,

I think it was smart of her to keep Shane...a guaranteed F2 for her. She got dumb after that. Had she not used the veto on Dan and let Ian get

02/03/13 07:41 AM

Yeah, the Shane eviction was a double edged sword for Danielle. She knew she had Shane who would protect her and if they got put up together,

02/03/13 08:19 AM

That's actually a good point too....when Dan did that, at F4, it turned her guaranteed F4 to his and I really don't get her mindset in agreeing to

02/03/13 08:28 AM

I agree that she would have beat Dan. Actually with all of this. NT

02/03/13 08:20 AM

She really did have it in the bag and it bugged me no end because I didn't like her and, of the 3, her winning would have really made me mad! And

02/03/13 08:14 AM

I'm a Dan fan but I thought he was going to take her to the F2 and lose to her. I would have laughed because he did all the work and she would

02/03/13 08:25 AM

I think Danielle is an excellent BB player....first time out and did a great job of lying, manipulating, etc. NT

02/03/13 08:35 AM

02/02/13 04:45 PM

I agree with that. NT

02/02/13 03:32 AM

Thanks! NT

weak sauce! Of course they wanted him out, they were afraid they couldn't beat him. They were right! NT

02/02/13 03:34 AM

really weak sauce! a good social game includes not making yourself a target.Making people think they can beat you.

02/01/13 11:04 PM

I wonder just how much of Dani and Ian not liking each other had to do without happened before the feeds came on? I have a feeling there's more to

02/01/13 11:49 PM

I think most of it had to come down to the level on the totem pole. Dani and Shane didnt want each other out, Shane was Dani's lapdog, and Dani was

02/02/13 12:11 AM

02/01/13 11:14 PM

good point. NT

Surprisingly common occurrence actually. NT

02/02/13 03:21 AM

This post and chain of replies was split from an OP in BBD abt Julie Chen/Maggie (BB6) b/c it turned completely off-topic abt Dan/Ian...again. NT

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01/26/13 04:58 PM

Starr

01/30/13 05:54 PM

yep, like saying ian is the worst ever or he did nothing NT

Or things about his F2 opponent, that goddamn swinging both ways door NT

01/26/13 04:59 PM

Ian did his fair share, I give him lots of credit. He deserved to win, but Dan played an incredibly better overall game. Ian just did less of

01/26/13 05:56 PM

that's totally fair and i give dan credit for getting to the end but i think part of what makes this game so hard to win is walking that fine line

01/26/13 05:21 PM

I agree!, And Dan has succeeded in doing that once before. Everyone has a different opinion of what it takes to win the game so no one is really

01/26/13 06:11 PM

Pretend Dan was never in the game and Ian beat Shane & Dani at the F3, I don't think there would be all this "he gave up" or

01/26/13 07:13 PM

If Dan was never in the game, the odds of Ian winning would have gone down dramatically. NT

01/27/13 10:37 PM

But my point is that the negative stuff being said about Ian is because he beat Dan. No other reason ~ NT

01/28/13 03:21 AM

IAN WON.But he shouldn't have. NT

01/28/13 01:59 PM

Dan lost, and should have. NT

01/28/13 10:34 PM

No,Dan was robbed.Ian won but shouldn't have. NT

01/28/13 11:07 PM

Dan robbed himself, should have played a better social game, but he didn't. NT

01/28/13 11:09 PM

He played one the best social games of all time.At F5 NO ONE was targetting him.He had them targetting each other. NT

01/28/13 11:13 PM

Played one of the best social games, and not being able to secure jury votes doesn't compute. He played for 2'nd place. NT

01/28/13 11:29 PM

If he hadn't been a coach or previous winner he would have won 4-3. NT

01/28/13 11:30 PM

That's easy to say, hard to believe. NT

01/28/13 11:34 PM

Frank Joe Jenn vote for him. NT

01/28/13 11:36 PM

Do they? Since if Dan hadn't been a coach or a repeating player the game would have been totally different. NT

01/28/13 11:38 PM

Take away the anti-coach,anti-previous winner sentiment and he prob does win. NT

01/28/13 11:39 PM

Or he could have went home 1'st. probably doesn't mean anything. NT

01/28/13 11:44 PM

Okay,I'll TP it see what the folks say.But it has to play out in much the same way. NT

01/28/13 11:45 PM

LMAO. How could the season have played out the same way when you had people exempt at the start. NT

01/28/13 11:47 PM

I meant to say how does it play out if Dan is evicted in Frank's HOH and Brit and Ian end up in F2.But with a few conditions. NT

01/28/13 11:51 PM

Nobody can say, it would have been a totally different game. Too many variables. NT

01/29/13 12:05 AM

But what do you think?Brit vs Ian F2 but Brit only wins 1-2 comps,Ian wins the same number,Brit backstabs Frank & Shane in the same manner Dan did. NT

01/29/13 12:06 AM

Would Frank & Shane be as bitter toward Brit as they were to Dan? I think Brit would have beat Ian as she had a great social game and I thought

01/29/13 12:12 AM

Frank was pissed at Brit in the JH about going back on her word.How do you think he would have felt after she had actually backstabbed him?

01/29/13 12:38 AM

If Brit had won BB12 she probably would have lost to Ian but it would have been close if Jenn's desire for a girl to win pushed her to convince

01/29/13 02:02 AM

Brit has definately been to charm school and she knows how to talk to an audience ~ NT

01/29/13 02:23 AM

Because she got screwed by The Brigade but what if she had won BB12.She charms them for another $500K?No way. NT

01/29/13 12:51 AM

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01/28/13 04:51 PM

01/28/13 06:09 PM

Disagree. It's not just that he beat Dan, it's that he was is an undeserving winner after giving up at the F4.

leeto :) you have to accept that ian won.. there is no rule in BB stating that if you say you give up you have lost... if Ian had given up he would

01/28/13 02:09 PM

Never. I'm thinking of getting a "Dan was the real winner of BB14" tattoo. Ian himself said he gave up at the F4. I have a hard time accepting

01/28/13 06:14 PM

Oh please post a picture of that tattoo! NT

01/28/13 06:22 PM

I'm still working on the tattoo design but here are some ideas

01/28/13 08:10 PM

Let me gues......family shots from Christmas Eve at Adam's house? NT

01/29/13 04:13 AM

Here's a more fitting tattoo to describe the season

01/29/13 05:05 AM

01/29/13 05:20 AM

Ugh! No comment ~ NT

LMFAO Omg...I would have loved to have seen that girls face when she realized the error...and don't the artists spell it just like they're told to by

01/29/13 03:03 PM

The only explanation is that people are stupid. The symbolism is perfect. NT

01/29/13 05:28 AM

Where's the tattoo for getting lucky as hell? NT

01/29/13 05:31 AM

I hear there is a sale on 'Ian Rocks!' tats. Any takers? NT

01/29/13 05:40 AM

And Britney? What's her tatt like? NT

01/29/13 06:00 AM

LOL. I'll wait to see what Leeto recommends for her. :) NT

01/29/13 06:25 AM

I just.....how the hell do you even fix that? NT

01/29/13 06:27 AM

Ashley would say: 'Fix what?' NT

01/29/13 05:36 AM

House = prison, or did he get out? Lmao! NT

01/29/13 05:58 AM

01/29/13 05:07 AM

Ian tried.. he talked to Dani and Shane... he tried.. he worked very hard for his win.. you are just in love with Dan.. admit it lol NT

01/28/13 08:13 PM

I don't think he sat there like a turd through the whole game, but I don't think he was some grand master player either. Sorry, friend, don't mean

01/28/13 06:26 PM

Not being a grand master and not being a deserving winner are 2 dif things. NT

01/28/13 06:38 PM

That is true. But in the scenario we're talking about, between the two at the end, I think the other person was the better player and should have won.

01/28/13 08:12 PM

How many BB players are grand masters? hahaha NT

01/29/13 04:23 AM

Well I think Will and Dan are the top two players of all time. So that would be mine. NT

01/28/13 06:49 PM

Will. That's the list. NT

01/29/13 04:25 AM

Will only won BB2 because the jury was bitter towards NIcole.He was booted at F4 on AS by his fark buddy.Some grand master. NT

01/28/13 06:52 PM

LOL, I agree with this! NT

01/28/13 10:30 PM

pretty much.. and i'm teetering on Maggie although she drove me nuts.. she was cultish imo! NT

01/28/13 06:55 PM

I wouldn't put her up with Dan/Will BUT she would be in my top 5 and I agree w/ you about her, UGH. NT

01/28/13 06:54 PM

Maggie was definitely a grand master. NT

01/29/13 04:25 AM

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01/28/13 06:34 PM

01/28/13 06:51 PM

I don't remember a single thing he did to save himself though. And Ian himself said that he gave up. For me, it's not a matter that he won, that can't

but he tried.. to say he didnt try is false NT

01/28/13 06:19 PM

At final four? Not at all. After that and such, sure! But at that point, F4, not really, no. Imo. NT

01/28/13 06:23 PM

He didn't try.Dan asked "Did you think of everything?"Have you thought about every situation?".He said "I had a good run" and moped. NT

01/29/13 04:26 AM

But if Dan wasn't there and Shane or Dani lost to Ian that way, I doubt if all this controversy would have happened ~ NT

01/28/13 10:37 PM

This much controversy no because those players didn't have Dan's game. However, Ian would still be criticized for giving up at F4. NT

01/28/13 04:40 PM

Yes he will. He was during the game when it happened and beyond. NT

01/28/13 04:51 PM

Odd then that the vitriolic criticism of "Ian quit" didn't start until after he won. NT

01/28/13 05:15 PM

I can only speak for myself but I was wondering why he wasn't trying anything while he waited for eviction. After Dan unilaterally saved him I

01/28/13 05:02 PM

Agreed, this is exactly what I think too. So it's not really odd. NT

01/28/13 05:20 PM

When he ungratefully called it a scumbag move[for tv of course] is when he turned me off about quitting.He laid down,was saved,and then

01/29/13 04:27 AM

I think it's based on his game, and in his game he happened to benefit from jury votes. NT

01/28/13 10:42 PM

If Ian wasn't in the game the odds of Dan making it to F2 go down dramatically NT

01/28/13 02:08 PM

If Dan, Danielle and Shane are in the F3, Dan can win and take himself of if Danielle wins she likely takes him. If the final 4 consisted of

01/28/13 08:09 AM

If Ian hadn't won all those HOH's that he did, keeping Dan safe from nomination and eviction, Dan would have been on the block and out long before

01/28/13 01:06 PM

It could be said that Dan lucked out by Russel Hantz' Survivor game, which brought Willie into the house, which took the target off a lot of people.

01/28/13 03:55 PM

That was lucky. After Willy, if Frank wasn't there to target, Dan would have been toast. NT

01/28/13 08:17 PM

The beauty of Dan's game is he didn't rely on comp wins to keep him safe. He relied on his social game and manipulation.

01/28/13 08:23 PM

I was surprised at how badly Dan did at the comps ~ NT

01/28/13 04:48 PM

Same as Will though, no? NT

01/28/13 08:18 PM

Well, he was an old man this time around....28 year old, lol! NT

01/29/13 04:28 AM

He seems older than that, doesn't he? NT

01/29/13 03:59 AM

He injured his elbow early on but I don't think he even told Dani.I don't think he wanted the Core Four to see him as a comp liability

01/29/13 04:03 AM

He was the worst toungue wagger I ever saw in my life. And what was his excuse for the other comps that didn't require perfect legs & elbows? NT

01/28/13 10:48 PM

Forget the legs.His left elbow ligament is what he required an MRI and arm sling post-game for. NT

01/29/13 12:06 AM

I never saw him in any sling in all the pictures I've looked at since the show ended/never heard him say anything about it.. When did he start

01/29/13 12:23 AM

Wow.Check media.I posted his MRI.His arm was in a sling after he got home.The Murtz videos on YouTube

01/29/13 12:57 AM

His arm was definitely in a sling. I remember the photos and the Murtz chat. NT

01/29/13 02:19 AM

Sorry I left that out the first time and it has been edited. But a lot of the comps (like the 1 at the F2) had no physical requirements like that NT

01/29/13 02:26 AM

Pirate Ship,Volcana,OTEV,Flying Puzzle,Final HOH part 1.He won OTEV on guts and some luck. NT

01/29/13 12:55 AM

I thought "luck" was a bad thing that only Ian had any of and it's a reason he shouldn't have won :) NT

01/29/13 11:14 AM

Dan said Ian had a little bit of luck along with a little bit of heart,and Ian AGREES.I never said luck is bad.Certainly Dan never

01/29/13 11:33 AM

I thought Ian said that in his speech. Luck isn't bad and Dan agrees that it's a big, uncontrollable part of the game and yet, Ian is accused of

01/29/13 11:41 AM

Luck's not bad at all. But luck isn't game either, meaning it doesn't make someone a good gamer. NT

01/29/13 11:52 AM

So the fact that Dan also had some luck makes him not a good gamer? It seems Ian is accused of being lucky and therefore unworthy. NT

01/29/13 11:42 AM

Luck falls on your lap.Dan and Ian know that.But then sometimes you make your own luck.That's a great player. NT

01/29/13 11:45 AM

Got it. Dan luck good, Ian luck bad NT

01/29/13 11:45 AM

01/29/13 11:47 AM

He "threw" them, lmao NT

He threw OTEV?He threw the F4 HOH?He threw his DE HOH? NT

01/29/13 12:18 AM

Lot of assumptions in there. No way to know. Pretend scenarios don't help make a case. Dan was fortunate to be in an alliance with strong comp

01/29/13 12:26 AM

Dani's relationship with Shane was a huge factor in the QP forming as far as I'm concerned. Since they trusted each other and their coaches it

01/28/13 05:00 PM

The thing is that Shane threw Dan utb to Frank ALOT.Especially when Frank won that DF HOH. NT

01/28/13 08:35 PM

Shane was an idiot when it came to playing the game. Other than at first he was liability to the QP. NT

01/28/13 10:54 PM

Dan got so lucky! How many players had a Danielle to do their bidding in all the years of the show. Luck. NT

01/29/13 12:41 AM

MANY duo alliances in BB.ED/Dani, Chilltown, Renegades.Let's not forget Shannon jumped on her sword for Will. NT

01/28/13 08:21 PM

Nobody had a person who did their bidding like Dan did with Danielle. He got lucky she was a big fan of his and happened to be cast ~ NT

01/28/13 10:58 PM

Shannon was Will's gf.She sacrificed her game for him.Hardy's toothbrush antic torpedoed her. NT

01/29/13 01:00 AM

Not his gf. His showmance. No comparison ~ NT

01/29/13 02:55 AM

Will in BB2 "My relationship with Shannon is very independent of the show".Told her he loved her.They dated after the show.

01/29/13 03:00 AM

Agreed, wow what a good point. NT

01/29/13 03:11 AM

he did make it entertaining and i give him all the credit in the world for his BB10 game the way i see it it was textbook how to win BB while his BB14

01/28/13 03:27 AM

I'd agree with this. Well said. I rate Ian average in most areas, above average in comp performance...he tied some lofty records. And I just think

01/26/13 07:44 PM

Ian was clueless about what a lot of what was going on in the game. It's hard to call that average just like it's hard to say someone is a nice

01/27/13 10:52 PM

Yes he is a nice guy. And he can't hear thru walls. We all say stuff under pressure or being under the influence or whatever. NT

01/28/13 03:38 AM

Ian is okay but ever notice how he copied just about everything anyone else said or did?"John Blaze","cash","I wish I had

01/28/13 02:05 PM

Dan's a nice guy too. He's quite ruthless when he plays Big Brother and uses tactics that affect others in a negative way, but everyone does stuff

01/28/13 11:08 PM

Dan's actually a very nice guy.Some think he was just horrible to Dani every minute of every day but he actually gave Dani some great personal

01/28/13 02:06 PM

See in the beginning of the game he had a better strategy. Target people behind the scenes and make sure you be the one to clue them in that they're

01/28/13 11:27 PM

Nice guy? He's comes across like a creepy pervert. NT

01/29/13 01:08 AM

01/28/13 11:15 PM

How is he a pervert? NT

I could give plently of reasons, but why waste the effort. It's just my never changing opinion, and im not alone on thinking that. NT

01/28/13 11:33 PM

Well,how about just one reason?We may differ on the definition of pervert too. NT

01/28/13 11:37 PM

Maybe, doesn't really matter to me. I'm pretty confident in my definition. NT

01/29/13 12:10 AM

So there isn't even one reason you could share? NT

01/29/13 12:10 AM

Of course, I just don't feel like arguing why I feel the way I do about Dan having pervy attributes. NT

01/29/13 12:24 AM

I won't argue.There are reasons but you don't want to share even one of them.Ok. NT

01/29/13 12:25 AM

Everything I say is argued back to me when it comes to Dan. Why would this be different? lol NT

01/29/13 12:28 AM

I don't know either of them so can't say. To me Ian seems like a nice guy, Dan seems smarmy and just as manipulative to fans as he was to HG's.

01/29/13 12:31 AM

Yeah well I was responding to Leeto's claim that it's "hard to think Ian's a nice guy." I always thought he was a nice guy and still do. NT

01/28/13 05:05 PM

You saw those graphs of all those alliances. No way to know what was real, what was not. He picked a course and stuck with it. And, much as you may

01/28/13 04:43 PM

Add on to that he had no negotiating abilities whatsoever. He couldn't talk his way out of something for anything. NT

01/28/13 08:11 AM

He won, Dan lost. I'd say he did OK. NT

01/28/13 04:01 AM

01/28/13 08:13 AM

01/27/13 10:38 PM

01/26/13 08:14 PM

The last part is where we'll never agree. I think it was one of the best games ever, but meh, agree to disagree eh?

No one's ever gotten to the end without pissing off someone on that jury. I think it's a fineline between letting your emotions guide your decision as

01/26/13 07:52 PM

pissing off 1 juror is fine if you think you got 4 votes, even pissing off 3 people is fine as long as you are confident the other 4 have your back NT

01/26/13 06:18 PM

On "jury management" and pissing off jurors...

01/26/13 06:48 PM

Interesting. When we look back at things and start with a certain premise, we color events to support that premise. Human; sure I do that myself.

01/27/13 11:43 AM

01/27/13 12:36 PM

Yes, events are colored.

Perception is everything. Leaving aside whatever Dan's true feelings were about anyone or anything, he was perceived as being manipulative in a

01/27/13 12:59 PM

01/27/13 01:12 PM

Yuuup! NT

01/29/13 12:43 AM

this...alot of this NT

And yet only one HG hates him. NT

01/27/13 02:39 PM

Do you think Ian's stemming was an act? If not, why knock him for it? NT

01/29/13 12:30 AM

Uh, no I don't think it was an act and I don't think I was knocking him for it.

01/27/13 01:07 PM

Ian carried on lengthy conversations with almost everyone that approached him.. he just wasn't good at initiating a conversation NT

01/27/13 01:13 PM

To a degree, but Ian should have initiating those conversations as well. I hope you are well. :) NT

01/27/13 09:29 PM

thank you .. hope you are doing well also! I wish Ian had initiated more talks also but he seems to have done something right. I think he did great

01/28/13 03:22 AM

I don't like him and hate that he won but I wsih him well in his post BB life. He definitely gained confidence but I wish he wasn't so arrogant. NT

01/28/13 06:04 PM

The after effects of BB, definitely good for him. But I see his win as more of a byproduct of luck and alliances, with someone else essentially

01/28/13 06:11 PM

01/28/13 06:06 PM

01/28/13 06:07 PM

01/28/13 06:08 PM

01/28/13 06:16 PM

Ian did it right because he won. If he changed anything, it could have changed the course of the game. NT

Ian won because he got lucky not because he did it right. Giving up is almost never the right move but Ian lucked into the one in a million

01/28/13 02:08 PM

Ian did a whole lot in the game .. to say he did nothing is insane lol NT

01/28/13 02:16 PM

Yes luck always plays a part in winning BB ~ NT

01/28/13 06:02 PM

Sure luck is a part of it but no one has ever been that lucky. Ever. It was a one in a million shot and he got it. NT

01/28/13 04:44 PM

Every winner of BB has had luck on their side at some point in the game. NT

01/28/13 04:53 PM

Agreed, but as the game has changed (read: more involvement by production), it's gotten much easier to play...

01/28/13 05:08 PM

yes.. no outside help!! ughhh.. it so fruuuuuustrating! NT

01/28/13 06:04 PM

01/28/13 06:09 PM

agreed NT

Ian is the Grand Champion of Luck then. ;) How are you, friend? NT

01/28/13 06:01 PM

I'm good! thank you.. how are you? gotta love luck :) and I have to give credit where credit is due.. ian played great.. it wasn't all luck imo NT

01/28/13 06:04 PM

Exactly; his social guile was not up to par whatsoever. NT

01/28/13 06:07 PM

At the end of the game, Ian is loved and Dan is hated. Score for Ian's social game, fail for Dan's. NT

01/28/13 03:27 AM

Who from BB14 "loves" Ian?Brit who supposedly LOVES Ian hardly ever tweets him.Some like him,some dislike him.Dan likewise.Only Shane hates Dan. NT

01/28/13 08:15 AM

I like them both. NT

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01/28/13 08:25 AM

I love Ian.. dislike Dan greatly! the Dan dislike was carried over from season 10.. Britney.. couldnt stand her on her first season but I could

01/28/13 11:11 AM

01/28/13 06:19 PM

Who dislikes Ian? NT

Jenn.Who hates him...Dani. NT

01/28/13 02:10 PM

Twitter is hardly indicative of their friendship. He says they text each other regularly. NT

01/29/13 12:34 AM

Yeah Twitter is a public forum, not really personal contact. I don't tweet my family, I call or email them ~ NT

01/28/13 12:30 PM

Right, Twitter exchanges aren't the only measure of friendship. I'm sure they keep in contact by other means. But who would want to be friends with

01/28/13 02:11 PM

I would never want to be friends with Britney lol NT

01/28/13 01:09 PM

Good grief NO, me either!! As the old saying goes with friends like that who needs enemies...lol NT

01/28/13 06:20 PM

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01/28/13 08:26 PM

Something else in common! :) NT

there is hope Leeto.. as long as Dan or Ian aren't in the mix hahaha NT

01/28/13 06:23 PM

Me! She's an awesome person ~ NT

01/28/13 06:27 PM

01/28/13 04:47 PM

Belle! NT

And in actuality, Dan's social game couldn't truly suck b/c he wouldn't have been able to make the moves he did. NT

01/28/13 03:58 PM

Just sucked for the most part. NT

01/28/13 09:34 AM

He's been knocked for it quite a bit. And he did form relationships and was well liked. He had a sort of little brother type relationship with

01/28/13 11:21 AM

I remember Ian saying something to the effect that he would still be nice to people, wouldn't shun them, even if they did dumb things in the game.

01/27/13 01:26 PM

Danielle? She still would go off a cliff for him. NT

01/27/13 02:02 PM

After she was voted out? She wants nothing to do with him ~ NT

01/27/13 02:09 PM

She voted for him and in one of her last interviews she had complimentary things to say about Dan.

01/27/13 02:55 PM

It would be interesting. Everything I've heard is that she won't communicate with him even though he's tried to reach out ~ NT

01/27/13 05:16 PM

I believe she had a tweet where she said she didn't hate him or something like that. I really would like to hear an interview with her now.

01/27/13 06:57 PM

Dani would never say she hated someone I don't think ~ NT

01/27/13 07:01 PM

In the house she said many times she hated Ian and Frank. Outside of the house, in interviews and on twitter etc, she's more guarded and PC.

01/27/13 07:39 PM

She simply said. 'You are absolutely right. I do not hate anyone. I wish no harm/ill to anyone. Have a good day.' and forwarded it to Dan. NT

01/27/13 07:42 PM

Saying she doesn't hate him isn't all that favorable. Yes she told people 1 on 1 but in a public forum, no way. She'd rather just say nothing ~ NT

01/27/13 07:49 PM

She could have taken him off the reply.She def wanted him to read it. NT

01/27/13 07:47 PM

Exactly, why tag someone if you don't want or care if they see it.... NT

01/27/13 09:54 PM

I was talking about declaring publicly "I hate Dan"; even if she did I highly doubt she would ever do that ~ NT

01/28/13 09:37 AM

Saying you don't hate someone is a f' lot better than saying you don't give two ***** about them, etc. etc. or any swear of your choosing. But I don't

01/27/13 10:41 PM

This line of thinking on my part started here and then people started arguing that Dan did make that kind of connection with Dani:

01/27/13 07:54 PM

Jani LOVES Dan.Brit Jenn Ashley Kara JoJo all like him too.He is Twitter buddies with Joe,Frank & Ian.Dani doesn't hate him.

01/27/13 10:47 PM

I didn't say anyone hates Dan. That's not what we're arguing here. Anyway, what's Wil's problem? Fill us in ~ NT

01/28/13 11:17 AM

What are the two reasons Wil avoids Dan? NT

01/28/13 02:15 PM

She has said she wouldn't vote for him if she knew then what she knows now. Don't know if she still feels that way, that was said quite a while ago.

01/28/13 01:10 PM

I don't think she would be completely honest but it would be interesting to see how she answered some of the questions. They might give some

01/27/13 07:21 PM

I think if she still had hard feelings about him she wouldn't want to voice them; I don't think she'd lie about it ~

01/27/13 07:26 PM

I don't see the need to lie, that's for sure. Still confused though, if they actually don't hate each other, that's good, right? NT

01/27/13 07:41 PM

If they don't have a relationship after the game, I can see why. If they do, that's fine too. But I don't think they do ~ NT

01/27/13 07:56 PM

Not good or bad. Doesn't matter to me if any of them talk post game. NT

01/28/13 04:53 PM

Yeah who cares. They can speak or not speak. Doesn't really matter to me ~ NT

01/27/13 08:21 PM

I'd love to hear what she had to say now, but yeah, agree w/ what you said. NT

01/27/13 10:48 PM

01/27/13 07:30 PM

I agree. NT

Danielle's relationship with Dan was pathologic and nothing on Dan's end was genuine. NT

01/27/13 05:22 PM

Yeah and when you find out your Shining Prince is really a frog.......Dan's not the man she thought he was, their relationship isn't what she

01/27/13 02:13 PM

Gotcha. Just wondering. (I've got a brother who stims and people react in many ways. Fascinating really) NT

01/27/13 07:45 PM

I liked the fact that Ian took care of himself that way and didn't make it an issue for others to deal with, plus it was his alone time for thinking

01/27/13 01:19 PM

But in a social game he has to interact more with the other players. Ian was the only one who sat by himself for hours while the others hung out

01/27/13 02:04 PM

Jenn was awol most of the time. Most of them spent hours every day sunbathing or doing their makeup. There's a lot of time with nothing to do. NT

01/28/13 03:43 AM

I don't think anyone spent as much time alone as Ian did in this social game. NT

01/28/13 02:20 PM

Many spent many hours in bed, asleep. Some played with make-up for hours on end....whatever. NT

01/28/13 02:26 PM

Jenn, also, spent hours alone but fair point. NT

01/28/13 08:16 AM

01/28/13 04:38 AM

agreed NT

Totally agree with you, and as to Ian, it wasn't. This vote really had nothing to do with Ian, it wasn't Pro-Ian, imo, it was anti-Dan. NT

01/27/13 09:31 PM

Agree. It was only pro-Ian inasmuch as he wasn't Ashley. NT

01/27/13 01:04 PM

If Ashley beat Dan would anyone say she was a deserving winner? NT

01/27/13 01:11 PM

No way of knowing a hypothetical like that imo ~ NT

01/27/13 01:16 PM

I really can't see how they could. NT

01/27/13 02:06 PM

Maybe her Phoebe like state was better jury management? ;) NT

01/27/13 01:21 PM

Only if the goal was to get laid. :P NT

01/27/13 01:41 PM

Ashley? What do you mean? NT

01/27/13 01:44 PM

As Leeto alluded to, it would be extremely hard to justify casting a vote for Ashley to win. NT

01/27/13 01:15 PM

Aha, unless her dreamboard cast a spell over the jury. ;) But I keep going to what Brit said, and that anyone would have won over Dan. NT

01/27/13 01:24 PM

Agree. I think someone once said even a bottle of ketchup could have beat Dan. Or something like that. But I don't understand why they

01/27/13 01:40 PM

The way Dan callously played their emotions ~ NT

01/27/13 01:08 PM

Dan played a game, they're responsible for their own emotions. NT

01/27/13 02:08 PM

i think that sounds good on paper but not very realistic NT

01/27/13 02:10 PM

But they're the ones voting! (this was supposed to be in reply to CJ) NT

01/27/13 02:31 PM

One annoying thing about this format is when the post you are replying to ends up 20 feet above and then it makes no sense :( NT

01/27/13 02:54 PM

Agree. Esp. when someone says ^^^ THIS ^^^ and 100 posts end up in between. NT

01/27/13 03:01 PM

01/27/13 03:05 PM

01/27/13 03:22 PM

01/27/13 03:24 PM

Yeah it helps to verbalize what you're agreeing or disagreeing with ~ NT

I think Dan would have won against several other players. Ashley, Jenn, Joe, maybe Shane, maybe Danielle. He would have lost against Frank I think,

01/27/13 03:20 PM

Because Dan's moves were more impactful, and I think deep down they knew he was a superior player to them, and couldn't stand that they got got. NT

01/27/13 01:31 PM

There was an element of that, for sure. But, I doubt it was the only element. That, Dan would have overcome on its own. IMO, it was the lethal

01/27/13 01:16 PM

01/27/13 01:40 PM

So true. NT

Totally agree with that. The anti-vet/winner bias plus the anger over being outplayed (and not having the time to explain his game) were lethal. NT

01/27/13 01:44 PM

I don't think it's so much anger about being outplayed as anger about the way they were outplayed. As you said, Ian outplayed quite a few of them

01/27/13 01:42 PM

Ian didn't have the vet/previous winner baggage to deal with that Dan did. Taht is a key part of the equation. NT

01/27/13 01:46 PM

Exactly. Ian has nothing to do with it really, either. You could sit Scooter McGee in there and it'd be the same thing. NT

01/27/13 01:55 PM

So, in your opinion, Ashley or Jenn or Joe would have won against Dan? Really? NT

01/27/13 01:57 PM

I think so. It would have been closer but I think Dan loses 4-3. He wouldn't get Britney, Shane, Frank ever. So he would need to sweep the rest. NT

01/27/13 01:59 PM

Why wouldn't he get Britney? She of all people understood how good Dan's game was. NT

01/27/13 02:02 PM

Britney voted for a kid who cried over 3K. She, herself, admits she votes personally. NT

01/27/13 02:10 PM

Yeah but if it was anyone but Ian, she didn't have that love for them ~ NT

01/27/13 02:20 PM

You don't know that for sure, lol. NT

01/27/13 02:58 PM

That was a sweet moment in the game actually. Genuine (Dan, take note) emotion, one human to another. NT

01/27/13 03:38 PM

i've been beating that drum forever...dan cutting his emotions at the door was the wrong move with this cast NT

01/27/13 02:47 PM

Disagree, if anything it made it easier for him to manipulate them. NT

01/27/13 02:53 PM

i think it made him robotic and it's hard to make a connection with a robot NT

01/27/13 03:38 PM

But he had connections with everyone which is why he was able to manipulate them. If he was a robot and they had no connection with him then

01/27/13 03:47 PM

i think theres a difference between being able to convince someone of something and making a genuine connection with them. NT

01/27/13 03:50 PM

It looked to me like Dan just asked a lot of questions and the other person read stuff into the relationship that wasn't there. Then Dan (the

01/27/13 03:55 PM

I think he had an interest, but it was a game move...since they were playing a game and all. ;) NT

01/27/13 07:59 PM

Yeah I'm not saying it was a bad thing, but it I think it may be one reason for the end result ~ NT

01/27/13 08:01 PM

The fact that Dan has attempted to keep in contact with everyone from the show after it is over shows the interest was legit. NT

01/27/13 11:21 PM

Agreed. I don't think he's being disingenuous at all here, the perception may be there for some, but that's subjective. He gets nothing out of staying

01/28/13 03:40 AM

He gets at least 2 people here pointing out how his staying in touch indicates he's a good guy that truly cares about his fellow house guests. NT

01/28/13 04:02 AM

I don't think that is why Dan keeps in contact with people from the house. NT

01/28/13 08:23 AM

I don't personally know Dan, so couldn't say. NT

01/28/13 01:21 PM

There is, but the person who was manipulated feels there is a connection too. Plus, it depends on whether the game is viewed as one based on emotional

01/28/13 04:44 PM

01/27/13 03:57 PM

I think it's both ~ NT

Then the person being manipulated that felt there was a connection discovers it was all horse pucky, you don't get their vote, and you whine "bitter

01/28/13 04:56 PM

01/27/13 04:05 PM

:) NT

I think it made it easier to do the moves he did. NT

01/27/13 09:34 PM

YES. A big blind spot on his part ~ NT

01/27/13 03:49 PM

Agree. Her vote for Ian was a vote for her pet. She appreciated Dan's game. NT

01/27/13 03:00 PM

Same reason she voted for Lane. It wasn't a vote against Hayden, it was a vote for her bud ~ NT

01/27/13 02:13 PM

Well, we'll never know, but I don't think that's true. If Dan is to be held blameless for his loss with the theory that he would have lost against

01/27/13 03:02 PM

me neither, imo no way ash, jenn, joe or dani beats dan NT

01/27/13 02:10 PM

Deep down they knew he was a horse's ass. He never kept one single promise he made to one single person and he made numerous

01/27/13 02:48 PM

Ian was careful not to make promises and to keep promises he made. NT

01/27/13 01:33 PM

Ian broke promises to Mike and Frank. Repeatedly to Frank. I can't recall if Ian was ever in a Joe alliance. Also Ian sold out his QP alliance

01/27/13 01:34 PM

What promises? As I recall, they had blinders on regarding Ian and simply assumed he was loyal. NT

01/27/13 01:48 PM

He promised Mike his vote to stay in the house. Perhaps promise could be interchanged with loyalty or misleading...he did that too. NT

01/27/13 01:52 PM

The key thing there is that he was forced to do so. He really WANTED to keep that promise. NT

01/27/13 01:53 PM

I don't think he was forced. He chose to do so, he got to pull a big move and use the 'Get to Steppin' line on it's originator. There was no gun to

01/27/13 01:59 PM

He was forced to if his goal was to win ~ NT

01/27/13 02:02 PM

He did get cocky. :) You'll recall though that he wanted to throw Mike a sympathy vote and the other QPers made it a loyalty test. NT

01/27/13 02:30 PM

He also wanted to be a villain, amongst other things, as a superfan. He was dying to use that 'Get To Steppin' line and what better way than to the

01/27/13 02:06 PM

But he didn't promise them anything, no handshakes, no nothing. They assumed the worthless kid was going to blindly follow them. NT

01/27/13 02:12 PM

01/27/13 02:27 PM

Stamp! NT

Of course. It just wasn't his preferred strategy. NT

01/27/13 02:21 PM

True. His action, nonetheless. No one Luca Brasi'd him into it. NT

01/27/13 02:16 PM

His loyalty, his promise, his handshake was with the QP. Silly of them, but they insisted. Mike was leaving regardless of Ian's vote, if you recall.

01/27/13 02:20 PM

True. Many see lying as little as possible and being as loyal as possible as being more laudable a way to play than creating as many fake alliances as

01/27/13 02:30 PM

I don't see it necessarily as more laudable, but it definitely helps come jury time NT

01/27/13 02:28 PM

By laudable, I meant vote-worthy. NT

01/27/13 02:33 PM

Oh, then I'd agree. People being what they are, you are more likely to get votes if you keep promises or break as few as you possibly can. NT

01/27/13 02:37 PM

Just what I was going to say. Ask Boogie about promises Ian made. Or Frank. Ian lied through his ass. Oh, and he promised Mike his vote too.

01/27/13 02:48 PM

Ian never made any promise to Mike or Frank. They assumed a lot but never extracted any promise. NT

01/27/13 01:51 PM

Ian promised his vote to Mike but he voted Mike out. NT

01/27/13 01:51 PM

Mike was very pissed at Ian about it. Until he saw the good-bye message ~ NT

01/27/13 01:52 PM

Mike's not on the jury for one. Secondly, the group he DID make a promise to, the QP, insisted he prove his loyalty and vote against Mike.

01/27/13 02:33 PM

The OP was about Ian being careful not to make promises and to keep promises he made. It made no mention of the jury. Also Frank, on the jury,

01/27/13 01:55 PM

Sure Frank was pissed. But he was more pissed at Dan. I don't remember specific promises made to Mike regarding the vote. I'm picturing Mike

01/27/13 01:58 PM

Ian specifically said he was voting for for Mike to stay and that is was difficult because he was voting against a teammate, Jenn, in the process. NT

01/27/13 02:07 PM

That could very well be, but Ian wasn't Boogies kid, he was a mole for the QP. That's what he'd shook on and agreed to do. A mole has to remain

01/27/13 02:17 PM

The claim Ian didn't make any promises he didn't break is false. Ian promised his vote to Mike and voted against him. Good game move but a

01/27/13 02:40 PM

Too literal. He promised loyalty to the QP, not Boogie. And his vote didn't send Boogie out the door, he was going anyway. Minor fib to a non-ally.

01/27/13 02:44 PM

exactly...very good points today NT

01/27/13 02:52 PM

Letting Dan take the blame for Ian's actions wasn't very loyal of Ian towardsDan who was his QP alliance member. NT

01/27/13 03:02 PM

Ian didn't "Let" Dan "take the heat." Ian was recruited as the mole. That was his role in the QP, what they'd asked him to do. You don't

01/27/13 03:02 PM

exactly... this was always dodged when i would bring it up NT

01/27/13 04:00 PM

Not dodged. After Mike was voted out and Ian had exposed himself as being with the others there was no more spy role for him and he could have

01/27/13 09:37 PM

So steping up and "taking the heat" would have been a good game move? I don't think so ~ NT

01/28/13 03:45 AM

No, keeping quiet was the smart game move. However, it didn't show loyalty to Dan which was my point. Ian wasn't any more loyal to his alliance

01/28/13 02:41 PM

Dan could have disabused Frank himself. He didn't not rat out Ian out of a love of Ian or out of any loyalty (Dan had none and said so). He didn't

01/28/13 02:52 PM

Dan did tell Frank when the time was right. Making Ian vote Mike out was a loyalty test. NT

01/28/13 08:20 AM

Which was stupid. Frank won the next HOH I believe which was pretty predictable. They could have had Ian in his ear if they were smarter. That

01/28/13 01:12 PM

01/28/13 04:50 PM

01/28/13 05:00 PM

01/28/13 04:02 AM

Exactly and Ian even said he was relieved the heat wasn't on him. NT

What a loyal bunch. Did any of the QP want to be the one to take the heat for anything? NT

01/27/13 03:39 PM

Of course not. That's part of the game. Put the heat on someone else. Shane putting the responsibility for his noms on Britney. Ian letting

01/27/13 03:43 PM

Exactly. What's at issue is the degree to which each player employed those tactics. NT

01/27/13 03:46 PM

Very true, but either way I don't see a single claim that could be made for any player not being duplicitous, sneaky, or deceptive in this game. NT

01/27/13 03:59 PM

dan made it look like everyone was his fav and that they mattered to him... that he loved them to death..he didnt, the others didnt do that..

01/27/13 04:01 PM

Well, when Dan told them after the POV, right before his sequester, that he wasn't selling the QP out they were relieved and didn't have a problem

01/27/13 09:42 PM

Seeing as how he was the one to unilaterally decide not to go along with the plan that was all rigged up so ALL the QP could stay, I'd say he sort

01/27/13 03:46 PM

Trusting the plan was putting his fate in someone else's hands and required either Shane or Britney to win the comp. Shane didn't answer one

01/27/13 03:52 PM

I didn't say he didn't have reason not to go along with the plan, just that he decided not to. He started answering questions right away. Shane is

01/27/13 04:01 PM

Grasping. Ian was their mole. A mole has to remain under cover for one. Secondly, if Dan exposed Ian, Boogie would expose Dan. Dan didn't expose Ian

01/27/13 04:11 PM

The claim that Ian is the only one that kept his promises or didn't make false promises is laughable. Ian promised his vote to Mike and voted

01/27/13 03:15 PM

Wasn't his true alliance? They weren't in an alliance at all. Only in Boogie's head. Dan made promises to just about everyone so he was always

01/27/13 03:31 PM

Exactly, Ian's no innocent and that makes him no different than anyone else in the game. NT

01/27/13 04:14 PM

Yes and no. He remained silent so the QP still had its mole. So loyal to the QP as a whole if not Dan in that instance. NT

01/27/13 03:36 PM

But the element of disloyalty was still there. NT

01/27/13 03:11 PM

He had no commitment to Boogie. His alliance, the QP, asked him to be their mole. That requires dishonesty, that was his job, that's what they

01/27/13 03:39 PM

From the perspective of Mike and Frank it was disloyal because Ian led them to believe he was with them. Just like Dan misled people to believe

01/27/13 04:28 PM

Ian and Hayden don't have much in common other than a closeness in age. Looks have little to do with what we're talking about, IMO. Frank and

01/27/13 05:54 PM

I think Ian got the benefit of looking like a 14 year old. They didn't take him seriously in part because of that and he was rewarded at the end

01/27/13 06:11 PM

Hehe. And I think it was a bit more than that. His did enough to win with this jury. NT

01/27/13 06:19 PM

I'm not saying it is the only reason but I do think it, Ian looking like a kid and the growth he experienced in the game, helped him tip the scales

01/27/13 06:23 PM

01/27/13 06:26 PM

gorw? NT

Looking like he did certainly didn't buy him any points the first several weeks. I call everyone under 30 "kid," which makes me sad because I

01/27/13 06:29 PM

Or does this mean that Hayden didn't deserve to win? NT

01/27/13 07:33 PM

IMHO, Dan took it to a whole new level. Appreciation of that is in the eye of the beholder. NT

01/27/13 07:53 PM

Hmm. Was it a new level or was he just good at it. Everyone was trying to do the same to him and the other players but Dan was just better at it. NT

01/27/13 06:01 PM

Its possible to be too good for one's own good. NT

01/27/13 06:16 PM

Would Dan have been better off if he played less well and got voted out? Might the jury have given him votes then? NT

01/27/13 06:18 PM

He'd have been better off giving the jury the impression of remorse for what he was doing even if he had none. NT

01/27/13 06:20 PM

Would it have mattered at that point? 90 seconds? The old format, maybe...but this format nothing would work with that jury NT

01/27/13 06:27 PM

I think throughout the game he could have been more human, not just during his jury speech. He had months, not just 90 seconds. NT

01/27/13 06:47 PM

Not without some misting to disarm the anti-vet bias. NT

01/27/13 08:29 PM

Signs of remorse like telling the person he called his mentor to "get to stepping" something like that? Dan was straight up in his GB messages

01/27/13 06:52 PM

I totaly agree that Ian was too cocky at times. He didn't have that lethal cocktail to deal with. Dan did. I'm saying that showing some remorse,

01/27/13 06:31 PM

That's a good point but who could he have done that with?

01/27/13 06:39 PM

He could have misted them in casual conversation in the backyard. Many are the times they talked about previous seasons. Those were missed

01/27/13 06:45 PM

Would those be like his conversations with Ian about not wanting to win due to a bitter jury? NT

01/27/13 06:50 PM

Did he have some? Right idea ... wrong person. NT

01/27/13 06:53 PM

True. But we have the benefit of hindsight in that regard. NT

01/27/13 06:56 PM

True. Just disagreeing with the notion that winning was impossible. Dan played great but his misread of the jury was fatal. NT

01/27/13 06:58 PM

Impossible? maybe close to it. I wish he had taken Jenn and lost to her and this discussion would be moot. NT

01/27/13 07:01 PM

LOL. Are you saying that her game didn't impress you? :) NT

01/27/13 07:10 PM

I don't think Jenn would say she played a better game than Dan. Maybe Jenn's mom might. Maybe. NT

01/27/13 07:14 PM

Her jury speech 'I should win so that I didn't eat slop for a month for nothing'. NT

01/27/13 07:17 PM

She'd say she should win b/c she was in a band named Kitty (or is it Kittie?) NT

01/27/13 07:21 PM

Shhhhhhh! That's a secret! NT

01/27/13 07:31 PM

01/27/13 07:39 PM

His one mistake was not knowing the jury would take it that personal. Unfortunately though, the fatality had nothing to do with the game and to me,

01/27/13 07:27 PM

Tragic is overstating it, but it did suck. #justagame. NT

01/27/13 07:03 PM

Good point and very true. NT

01/27/13 07:14 PM

Good point! Could also be said that it's possible to be too good to be understood as well. ;) NT

01/27/13 06:46 PM

Esp. in 90 secs. or whatever they allowed him. Agree. :) NT

01/27/13 06:20 PM

That's the thing....as a viewer, I did appreciate it! It was great fun, but all along I wondered how he expected to get any votes. NT

01/27/13 06:25 PM

Exactly. Fun for us ... for the players, not so much. NT

01/27/13 06:13 PM

No element of disloyalty. They ask him to spy for them. Implicit in asking someone to spy for you is the promise that you won't tell the spyee. NT

01/27/13 06:16 PM

01/27/13 04:17 PM

Agree. NT

Exactly. There's not one person who's played Big Brother that didn't lie or break their word. NT

01/27/13 03:44 PM

You have allies and non-allies. You have one F2, not seven. If you make multiple deals, be prepared for when it blows up in your face and don't whine

01/27/13 02:50 PM

Yup, this exactly. And how was he loyal to the QP, which included Dan, when he was all but ready to let Dan walk out the door? NT

01/27/13 02:56 PM

It was QP vs. QP. The only idea that could have saved both didn't pan out. NT

01/27/13 01:59 PM

No effort put into the plan, as I saw it anyway. NT

01/27/13 02:02 PM

Why would Ian save Dan when he's up against his F2? And they did have a plan where both Dan and Brit could stay. Dan didn't trust it. His choice. NT

01/27/13 02:03 PM

A curious time ... the feeds were confusing. Would be interesting to know what convos went down when the feeds were cut for the comps. NT

01/27/13 02:24 PM

I think they wanted Dan to throw it but he didn't. If I remember right. Then they would have 2 Vetos and could save 2 Nominees if both were QP.

01/27/13 02:11 PM

Dan was supposed to throw it, but it was clear from the start he wasn't. He didn't trust them. Perhaps rightly, we'll never know. I don't think

01/27/13 02:37 PM

To me it equates to a jury who couldn't handle Dan doing things to them they were all set to do to him. Had they succeeded, they would have asked him

01/27/13 02:45 PM

01/27/13 11:48 AM

Oh, indeed. NT

yup. An emotional vote may be natural, but it doesn't mean it should be applauded or enabled, considering it's in the minority as it is. NT

01/27/13 11:50 AM

We look at it differently here. I do not believe in excusing grown adults from voting based on the standards they themselves wanted to be judged on.

01/27/13 12:44 PM

being a hypocrite isn't against the rules and all "jury management" refers to is taking jury into consideration while you're playing NT

01/26/13 06:51 PM

Yup, which is what I said. About being a hypocrite, it's not against the rules but it doesn't mean someone has to agree with it; as well as the

01/26/13 06:55 PM

It is not hypocritical to not vote for someone that personally stuck the knife in your back. I sure as hell wouldn't. NT

01/26/13 07:00 PM

Yep. Juries are human beings with a full array of emotions that need to be taken into consideration ~ NT

01/26/13 07:26 PM

Perhaps, it's a good point. But I think they need to take their own words into emotions too, or be labeled hypoocrites. Were a biased/bitter vote more

01/27/13 02:44 PM

Do you feel that Dan was near powerless against this jury, with the current format? It doesn't say much for Ian's game, if he can explain it in

01/27/13 02:51 PM

That is an excellent point about Ian's game. Well done. NT

01/26/13 05:57 PM

Thanks! I think it's a great advocate for the old format. As it is, this format is geared for the weaker games that don't need the time for

01/27/13 01:44 PM

the new format SUCKS. Dan may have stood a chance if they had the longer stretch and more explained jury ?'s. It definitly did Dan no justice.

01/27/13 01:45 PM

I do think the finale could be changed for the better. The sequester thing is what it is ~ NT

01/26/13 07:21 PM

Oh good point! Individual sequester at jury would be interesting. NT

01/27/13 02:47 PM

Individually sequestered for over a month? Cruel. :) NT

01/26/13 07:29 PM

Agree that would suck big time ~ NT

01/26/13 07:40 PM

Would give them time for their own personal reflection though....heck, they could be given DVD's of old seasons to watch. ;) NT

01/27/13 02:48 PM

Or watch live feeds Speidi style? NT

01/26/13 07:42 PM

That name is blasphemous and I deny knowledge of it's existence. ;) NT

01/26/13 07:45 PM

LMAO. Denial is a stage of grief which comes before acceptance. :P NT

01/26/13 07:50 PM

Acceptance of them? Neeeeeeeeeever gonna happen, lmfao! NT

01/26/13 07:57 PM

Sorry. Couldn't resist. NT

01/26/13 07:58 PM

The finale was practically a lynch party.Ian was allowed to continuosly talk over Dan's questions and final speech.

01/26/13 08:00 PM

Dan was a total a$$ in the final speeches... he took the lead in acting out.. and Ian took it from there! home run for Ian :) NT

01/26/13 05:34 PM

01/27/13 09:49 PM

What a moment! NT

Another reason why I hate the final 3 format and the un-sequestered Jury. NT

01/27/13 11:09 PM

Thoughts midway through watching BB8 for the first time

01/26/13 07:23 PM

theotherguy

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11/18/12 04:02 PM

there were 3 good houseguests. the rest were supporting actors. nick couldve been good. NT

LyotoM

11/25/12 01:10 PM

Jen Jonson was a goddess<3 She was Rachel Reilly before we knew who Rachel Reilly was! NT

BooYah

11/25/12 12:15 PM

Jen was a vapid bitch.Much ado about nothing gamewise. NT