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Here is Texas I've actually heard people use the phrase a cow doesn't change its spots. I agree there was no malicious intent in Rachel's message. NT

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09/07/11 01:16 PM

catu13

09/08/11 12:37 PM

Rachel is not from Texas...she was calling Kalia a cow NT

I absolutely think she was being intentionally malicious by calling Kalia a cow in some way shape or form, spots or no. NT

09/10/11 03:36 PM

Well, not to be insulting, but just because they say it in Texas, doesn't mean it's right or make any sense at all. NT

09/08/11 04:32 PM

Marley

09/08/11 12:39 PM

But NC doesn't have leopards or zebras so maybe that's how she "herd" it growing up? NT

Whirley

09/08/11 12:59 PM

Do we have cows in NC? I know we have pigs and chickens. NT

For sure we have cows!!! hmm now that I think about it, not sure when the last time I saw a cow here. I know the Eastern part of the St is mostly

09/08/11 08:19 PM

Whirley

09/08/11 08:24 PM

Yes I live in Goldsboro and have never seen a cow to be honest NT

I'm in Greensboro and I know there are some dairy farms around here. I don't think Cows like the sandy soil in the eastern part :) NT

09/08/11 08:25 PM

Whirley

09/08/11 08:30 PM

Here's a website with some stats. If you are interested :/

Whirley

09/08/11 08:36 PM

Thanks, that was interesting. Yes the soil sucks here in the east, I don't know how all the crops grow so well here NT

In RI where I am from, it is "a Zebra does not change it's stripes" NT

09/09/11 08:31 AM

Punny :-) NT

Marley

09/08/11 03:56 PM

I agree...I viewed it as a Rachelism! She also kind of called out Jordan for not being honest and too nice in her message. If you watched Rachel after

09/07/11 02:50 PM

You are exactly right in your assessment of this. I do feel Rachel had the right to be upset over Jordan's vote, and I truly believe

09/07/11 02:21 PM

hamsterwatcher

09/08/11 02:14 AM

I absolutely agree with you (as Dani would say..."literally" :) )

brattybrunette

09/08/11 01:15 AM

I agree and support your opinion. As much as I like Jordan I don't feel she's contributing her fair share of the burden. NT

Tank

09/07/11 06:11 PM

Agreed, she has done absolutely nothing except be her cute self with a well played social game but when the chips were down,

I can't believe my turn-around on Rach. I not only want her to win, I think she deserves it. NT

09/08/11 05:07 AM

Grammy

09/08/11 07:18 AM

Grammy! Sizzle! You've seen the light!!! Now............where's Mikentosh???? Hmmmmm????? (playing with fire here!) NT

09/08/11 03:07 PM

You Rang?

When you lack a personality, it's easy to get confused when you create one on the fly, it seems NT

09/09/11 09:37 AM

Ah, M'tosh -- good to have you back for more of your ideas! AND -- I'm right with you with your thoughts on this BB13 endgame! NT

09/10/11 05:45 AM

It was just you & me for a long time though wasn't it ? LOL NT

09/09/11 05:36 PM

Hey, SN!!! We called it!! Now--LOL--I bet your sitting on the edge of your seat these last couple days -- (and for the next week!!!) NT

09/08/11 04:29 PM

I'm a nervous wreck over this F3 comp. So silly but....

09/08/11 05:11 PM

So far--So good!!!!! (lst part of final HOH)! NT

09/08/11 07:12 PM

Yay ! I think I would rather her face Porsche in the 3rd part. Adam is good at questions & got to know all the HGs well. NT

09/08/11 07:57 PM

LOL, I have been saying and posting over a week now that I think Rachel should win this ............

09/08/11 08:03 PM

Oh yes, I know!!! It's fun when someone you're rooting for gets right to the end. But.......oh the suspense now!! NT

09/08/11 03:49 PM

Well, that's a good part of being a Jordan fan, no suspense as to who wins or gets to F2, I do want Rachel to win now though NT

09/08/11 05:13 PM

Well, Sizzle, sorry your "Fav" didn't win, but Jordan was a class act her last BBday (as she has been all the way through her 2 BB seasons!!) NT

09/08/11 08:23 PM

Some people are born competitors, some are not. Rachel is athletic, Jordan is not.

09/09/11 12:33 AM

Louise46

09/07/11 04:38 PM

Well, she should have at least supported Rachel & voted out Kalia instead of going for a jury vote. They all agreed Kalia needed to go. But....

What I find interesting is that people get upset when the house behaves like sheep and everyone votes with the house.

09/07/11 08:31 PM

It's kinda like Shelly pushing Jeff to BD Dani & than campaigning & voting to keep her. We saw how fans reacted to that move. NT

09/08/11 06:22 AM

She didn't push Jeff to BD Dani, she supported his decision. There is a difference. NT

09/08/11 10:57 AM

Louise46

09/09/11 05:39 AM

J to have voted K out would not be a "sheep" vote, it would be a team vote. She voted for her game, disappointing for some, but it's a strategy. NT

Grammy

09/08/11 07:24 AM

Very true, I never thought about it like that NT

That's why I would like to see her win and I am a Jordan fan. NT

09/07/11 06:08 PM

There is a thread (was in N&R, now in Disc) that says Adam is new HoH (fortune teller questions) and Kalia was evicted with Rachel breaking the tie.

09/07/11 02:53 PM

the general opinion is adam voted to keep P Jordan gave K a

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09/07/11 06:16 AM

Belle

09/07/11 12:50 PM

Its indeed a distinct possibility!! He just might be crowned BB13 winner even (IF he does these sweeps!) NT

Yes, Jordan told Kalia that she had her vote - because of their season-long 'deal'... Adam and Rach knew it would be split vote. NT

09/07/11 12:49 PM

I would be very surprised. Let's see how he does in POV, Rachel is playing in that one. NT

09/07/11 10:44 AM

luciddream

09/07/11 10:16 AM

Adam doing well in competitions would be VERY surprising. Adam doing ANYTHING would be very surprising. NT

which was his plan all along, to sneak under the radar, throw comps & let people use him for a vote, all while playing a good social game NT

09/07/11 07:12 AM

No, I think he's been every bit as useless as he has seemed all summer. NT

09/07/11 07:14 AM

far from useless. he's won veto comps & now an HOH. he's been the crucial vote on several occasions, and unlike the slugs K & P has pal'd around

09/07/11 07:30 AM

Adam more than anyone has been a doormat/stepping stone for the Veterans this season. I'd vote for anyone else over him. NT

09/07/11 07:34 AM

If he can win out, he would have a chance. NT

09/07/11 09:43 AM

I had a feeling Jordo would keep with her promise not to vote against Kalia. Especially after she got Adam to swear he was gonna vote Porche out

09/07/11 02:29 PM

Will Rachel's goodbye messages be her............

09/07/11 06:31 AM

I've asked myself this same question. I just can not see Dani, Kaila or Shelly voting for Rachel, because of the goodbye message - if she

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09/07/11 03:36 AM

Against Adam, Rachel gets Dani's vote easily. NT

09/08/11 10:45 AM

Dani said that she would never vote for Rachel. At least Adam was straight with Dani. Rachel looked her in the eye and lied to her. NT

09/08/11 04:48 PM

Did we see goodbye messages for Kalia? I don't remember seeing them NT

09/09/11 08:37 AM

They're on the extended interview. NT

09/08/11 02:54 PM

crazyq

09/08/11 04:19 PM

Where can I find the extended interview? NT

09/09/11 08:25 AM

Here ya go....

Thanks, that was a fun watch NT

09/09/11 08:38 AM

LOL... thought I blacked out there for a minute :) NT

09/09/11 11:21 AM

No they did not show them on TV but I have a feeling that they showed them at the live show and edited them for the TV show. NT

09/08/11 10:41 PM

It might be, in watching the feeds again, she was very upset w/Jordan after hearing goodbye message & I think that is why she went to the DR &

09/08/11 03:51 PM

I agree and think Jordan pulled a fast one on her. Problem is now for Rachel, she has to take Jordan to.................

09/07/11 11:31 AM

Rachel would only win against Porsche, against Adam or Jordan, Rachel loses. I wonder if Rachel knows that? NT

09/07/11 02:24 PM

I think the answer lies in whom she sits across from in F2 if she makes it. I think if it’s Jordan, Rachel loses no matter what.

09/07/11 07:14 AM

If the JH goes by play then no. By personal design, maybe. Depends who she is sitting with. NT

09/07/11 06:01 AM

09/07/11 05:53 AM

yes/no NT

The Endgame—A breakdown of the Final 4's chances

09/07/11 04:19 AM

How wrong I was! I'm glad to see the story didn't play out as I predicted. I thought Jordan was going to coast all the way to the half million. NT

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09/06/11 01:52 PM

Now that you have posted this, watch as Porsche wins BB this season NT

09/09/11 02:00 PM

I wouldn't have a problem with that. Porsche has managed to stay out of the line of fire for most of the season, but I fear her days are numbered. NT

09/06/11 04:14 PM

I think Rachel would beat Jordan because Daniele doesn't think Jordan deserved to win her season NT

09/06/11 08:08 PM

sunflower05

09/06/11 03:59 PM

Would Daniele vote for the woman who called her a bitch in her goodbye message, and said she didn't care about her Jury vote? NT

Against Adam? Yeah, I think she respects the game too much not to NT

09/06/11 08:06 PM

I don't entirely agree with your last part, giving Jordan all the wins being in the F2. In previous seasons, people have voted for the best game

09/08/11 05:24 AM

hamsterwatcher

09/06/11 02:55 PM

I'm just going by my perception of the Jury members, their attitudes toward the candidates. I still think Jordan is a lock to win if she's F2. NT

I think if Rachel is sitting in a F2 chair, she wins (against any left). NT

09/06/11 03:06 PM

Without actually trying to predict the J-votes, I only have one issue...

09/06/11 02:58 PM

Sadly, I agree with you NT

09/06/11 02:54 PM

Well, I would LOVE it if Rachel won over Adam, believe me. Adam is The Big Nothing of BB13. NT

09/06/11 04:17 PM

Great post! IA with both the Final four and the break down of votes for F2. NT

09/06/11 03:07 PM

F4 Candy Corn time! For each HG, which F2 partner will give them the BEST chance of winning BB?

09/06/11 02:07 PM

Eshen33

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09/06/11 01:15 PM

A beats P/K & poss J | R beats A/P/K & poss J .. who knows- I hope it's R/J F2 and R wins, if not R/A F2 and R wins. NT

Alaskatoo

09/06/11 03:57 PM

Jordan would win against any of them. Rachel would only win against Porsche. Adam would win against Rachel or Porsche. Porsche can't win. NT

I have to believe that Rachel has a darn good chance to beat Jordan this season. NT

09/06/11 02:51 PM

And Jordan would be the first to say so NT

09/06/11 04:06 PM

09/08/11 03:58 AM

Probably NT

As much as I'd like for Rachel to win over Jordan, I don't think Shelly, Daniele, Adam or Jeff would vote Rachel over Jordan. NT

09/08/11 05:03 AM

Thats sad, and I am a big jordan fan. But Rachel deserves to win BB this season NT

09/06/11 08:18 PM

Everyone blames B for the "bad Rachel" and how "good" she is w/o him....

09/07/11 03:08 AM

Eshen33

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09/05/11 09:42 AM

I feel they bring out the worst in each other quite frankly. NT

They both feed off the others' insecurities. Rachel has no self-awareness and a deep-seated need to be liked. She's super needy and craves attention

09/06/11 07:14 PM

jules11

09/06/11 07:29 AM

You make good points, but I think...

One day she said she can be bad with B there because he will protect her, but alone she can't~ NT

09/05/11 06:40 PM

I think it has less to do with Brendon...

09/05/11 05:45 PM

avichaiyl

09/05/11 01:48 PM

I think you are right NT

You shot a huge hole in your own argument.

09/05/11 04:44 PM

Not nuff said. What's the hole in the argument? NT

09/05/11 11:43 AM

its called the cycle of abuse and part of emotion/mental control that B's ex even talked about...it helps that R is an insecure hot mess NT

09/05/11 05:48 PM

He's controlling and she likes it. Where's the abuse? NT

09/05/11 09:47 AM

emotional/mental abuse is sometimes worse than physical NT

09/05/11 05:50 PM

I don't call it abuse unless one is doing something the other doesn't like. She likes it~ NT

09/06/11 03:28 PM

I can't go with LIKES it. She feels she deserves it, therefore she expects it would be my guess. NT

09/06/11 09:04 PM

09/07/11 05:50 AM

That it is. NT

Absolutely. Otherwise, Brendon's needs wouldn't be met and it wouldn't work. NT

09/06/11 07:16 PM

Rachel really is everyone's Achilles heel in this game, they just do not see it, until it is too late! Shelly's hatred of Rachel cost her both

09/06/11 07:49 AM

RE: Shelly’s hatred of Rachel

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09/05/11 08:12 AM

Good point, but I view Shelly's alliance w/Dani and earlier connection as more of this Rachel problem (common bashing). It connected them, if you

09/05/11 11:36 AM

There are so many gaps in those HGs’ logic.

09/05/11 12:56 PM

Excellent, excellent points as always...I am really interested to see how her reactions will be on finale... NT

09/05/11 02:31 PM

That's a great point, she had a chance to evict her and didn't. NT

09/05/11 02:46 PM

luciddream

09/05/11 12:44 PM

Very well said! NT

I totally agree with everything you wrote. NT

09/05/11 09:17 AM

DebbieO

09/05/11 08:42 AM

Please read Mikentosh's post and tell me you still agree with the original poster NT

Adam,superfan, POVwinner needs to make a power move

09/05/11 11:45 AM

bacicat

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09/04/11 09:53 PM

Adam needs to play for Adam to win, not just so a newbie can win and Porsche/Kalia are more dangerous together then Rachel/Jordan are NT

sunflower05

09/05/11 08:33 PM

Worse season ever unless he uses the POV? Well... that is your opinion and doesn't reflect on Adam's game if he chooses not to use the veto. As Adam

Kixx

09/05/11 10:18 AM

here's how I see this because I'm sick and have nothing better to do...

BoPeep

09/05/11 09:56 AM

I don't know if I can accept that Jordan can't win comps.

it may not be a power move but its the best move for his endgame to not use it NT

09/05/11 11:51 AM

Adam is a professional superfan who moonlights as a doormat. Adam, think for himself? NOT gonna happen. NT

09/05/11 09:07 AM

A HUGE hole in your plan is that the next PoV has all the power and if Adam did this and Rachel won PoV and Adam wasn’t HoH, it was all for naught. NT

09/05/11 08:20 AM

Rachel would take Adam over P/K even if he backstabbed her because she thinks she can beat him NT

09/05/11 05:40 AM

09/05/11 06:05 AM

09/05/11 07:19 AM

09/04/11 11:13 PM

IMO - Adam stands a better chance of winning the final HOH against the Rachel and Jordan than Porshe and Kaila. Neither twosome

The drama behind the curtain: Jordan's DR today

09/04/11 10:12 PM

fanofdevious

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09/04/11 08:00 PM

Unfortunately...

Could it be that Jordan is just kinda of private, and neither one of them feel their relationship should be subject to all the scrutiny? NT

09/13/11 04:16 PM

Jade

09/06/11 03:45 PM

The part everyone refuses to accept are the words and actions of jeff and jordan. They have visited each other many times, they

LLM

09/06/11 11:54 AM

Agreed, but the have lasted a lot longer than Trista & Ryan who are together longer. NT

I agree...we all love a good love story but while I dont think Jeff loves Jordon as much as she does him NT

09/06/11 03:00 PM

I think he does love her, and it's the kind of love that lasts a lifetime; not based on sexual attraction alone~ NT

09/05/11 09:12 AM

I think these two are totaly into each other. Jordan has remained who she is. She it not one to give public dispays of her feelings.

09/06/11 03:15 PM

I don't think Jeff has enough imagination to "long con" Jordan. I just don't think they're that into each other romantically. NT

09/04/11 10:00 PM

I do, I think it is Jeff loves Chicago and Jordan wants to stay near her mom in NC. I would take Charlotte over Chicago any day. Jeff also wants to...

09/04/11 08:18 PM

I love the Queen City. Lived there a LONG time ago. Back when Mike Tyson earned his spot on the first Jr Olympic Championship in fact.

09/04/11 09:22 PM

Big Brother Schedule beginning 9-04-2011 to 9-14-2011

09/05/11 08:10 AM

Does anyone know if we lose the live feeds for 24 hours starting tomorrow? Not asking for speculation, only fact please NT

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09/04/11 02:28 PM

Most likely feeds will be blocked until tomorrow and anything on BBAD will be repeat/old footage. NT

09/05/11 07:52 PM

BBAD tonight will be recorded footage from today of them making t-shirts, etc. NT

09/06/11 09:23 AM

Shar

09/06/11 09:30 AM

Sizzle. There is a BBAD tonight, so I assume there will be feeds as well. NT

Great, then we will know who won got evicted and part one of HOH hopefully NT

09/06/11 03:13 AM

There is no confirmation yet if the feeds will down tomorrow. NT

09/06/11 07:53 AM

Since AG didn't personally call me I guess I will be quiet. :-D We can all be surprised tomorrow. NT

09/06/11 12:52 AM

Also, the eviction is this Wed. and is live NT

09/05/11 08:39 PM

did she say live? I missed that if she did. I'm used to her flying to NY

09/04/11 05:00 PM

Eviction show Wednesday is taped Tuesday. HoH takes place too. Thursday live PoV and eviction and beginning of F3 HoH. NT

09/04/11 06:53 PM

Then why did Julie say she would be back live on Wednesday for an eviction show and the beginning of the last HOH?? NT

09/04/11 06:57 PM

For all of the years I have watched Julie - she sometimes misspeaks and you have to go back and translate NT

09/04/11 09:15 PM

fin

09/05/11 01:29 AM

It’s because we expect a clips show on most Wednesdays. The Live part is to alert those of us who sleep through Wednesday shows. Z-z-z-z-z-z-z NT

She never says live. She says "I'll be back for a special Wednesday eviction episode."

09/05/11 05:46 AM

That is exactly what she said. Has she ever been live for the early eviction? I don't think so. NT

09/05/11 04:55 PM

lot of POVs missing in that schedule tho NT

09/05/11 08:41 PM

That's what I was thinking NT

09/04/11 04:43 PM

Shuanie

09/04/11 07:55 PM

Evaluation Day! - Porsche gets an A, Adam an F

Corrected head-to-head matchups:

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09/04/11 02:08 PM

Nusa

09/05/11 09:44 AM

I think Adam will vote for a newbie to win NT

And Rachel has said she will not vote for Adam to win the game, and I doubt Jeff or Brendan will vote for him either NT

09/05/11 04:22 PM

Corrected corrections on the two head-to-heads where the outcome is different...

09/05/11 04:22 PM

This is very interesting. I actually disagree with most of what you have predicted. I think K wins if it's her and P. I think R wins if it's her

09/05/11 11:53 AM

Shuanie

09/04/11 08:07 PM

^^agreed NT

09/05/11 09:14 AM

Another fair point :) NT

In one of Adams backyard talks to the feeders, he said how Rachel deserves to win if she's in F2. I think he'd vote for her over Jordan. NT

09/04/11 11:00 PM

Valid point. I'm banking on Adam's general distaste for Rach and Jordan's charm in an R vs Jordo F2. NT

09/04/11 07:16 PM

I think Rachel wins against Jordan, actually, I am not a Rachel fan but I think she SHOULD win BB this season over everyone that's left NT

09/04/11 10:53 PM

I have to agree. Not a fan of hers, but she's so much better w/out Brennen there...

09/04/11 04:59 PM

...at which point Big Jeff would tell Jordan to "shut up and go eat a sandwich" :) NT

09/04/11 06:54 PM

I agree, Jordan would be very happy with another 50 grand to go along with her half a million NT

09/05/11 01:12 AM

09/04/11 09:13 PM

09/04/11 04:04 PM

09/04/11 10:39 PM

09/04/11 02:15 PM

Tom Selleck's Mustache

john_something

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09/04/11 12:11 PM

Jeff & Jordan: Summer of Love 2011 Tour---best way its been put all season :) NT

Bitter is one way to go, but I still love the show. I resent and love the twist and at the same time.

09/05/11 09:17 AM

09/04/11 10:47 PM

Me to NT

Fun Read. Hope you keep posting! (Sometimes these Jokersposts are better than the show!) NT

09/05/11 06:28 AM

Welcome to Jokers, and leave Tom Selleck alone. My wife and I enjoy his new show "Blue Bloods" NT

09/04/11 07:37 PM

Tom Selleck fan here too... NT

09/04/11 04:51 PM

Welcome to Joker’s posting. NT

09/05/11 09:17 AM

ok...why Adam should win over Jordon in f2 but wont....Adam is pretty much playing the same game that Jordon did when she won...

09/04/11 03:16 PM

Admit it folks, floating is a strategy. It really is! Half the winners have been floaters. At least half! It works! NT

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09/04/11 08:35 AM

savjoz

09/04/11 12:06 PM

I can't commit to a stance on floating. I'm going to wait to see what everyone else thinks. NT

okay, now that's funny...LOL! NT

09/04/11 08:24 PM

brattybrunette

09/06/11 12:33 PM

I'm with Ephandis... at least for this week. ;) NT

09/05/11 01:21 AM

I agree with you NT

Adam has been Jeff and Jordan's mascot the whole season. He'd probably campaign FOR Jordan if he was in the Final 2 with her. Idiot. NT

09/04/11 04:44 PM

Adam doesn't deserve to win:

09/04/11 10:15 AM

sorry...Jordon is Jeff..Rachel what do I do... NT

09/04/11 10:14 AM

I‘m Sorry! Jordan floated in S11? Did I blink?

09/04/11 10:27 AM

not saying Jordon floated..yeah Adam floated in the true sense of the word until he made a choice and has stuck to it..he was loyal to J/J/P only and

09/04/11 09:42 AM

Right on once again Mikentosh NT

09/04/11 10:49 AM

Really great post assessing Adam, and I agree with you about Adam (in the vernacular of BB13) 100% But....

09/04/11 10:43 AM

your opinion isnt sexist, but I feel its not that hes a man, its that hes not a hott fit charming man...in the end its not just the social game its

09/04/11 09:26 AM

I would like to see either Rachel, Jordan or Adam win. I like the way Adam has played this season. It is his strategy and he is sticking to it NT

09/04/11 09:34 AM

Buckle-up folks, I think we're in for the longest pity-party of the season...

09/04/11 10:42 AM

I agree with you, but I think Adam...........

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09/03/11 11:42 PM

POV if adam dosn't use it to put jordan

09/04/11 10:34 AM

mano

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09/03/11 05:30 PM

That ship has sailed. Adam is going to bring ZERO surprises to the game. BB rewards his nothing with a visit from Tori Spelling. ::yawn:: NT

WHY? Please explain. His best chance to win F2 is w/ Jordan. NT

09/04/11 08:15 PM

I agree

tuniciaa

09/04/11 06:49 PM

serjen

09/04/11 05:48 AM

because hes loyal to J and P...K will go home so he doenst have to use it NT

Making a game move vs Doing nothing . . .

09/04/11 05:35 AM

I don't know why ...

bbbfst

09/04/11 12:29 AM

how is it making a game move..Jordon would keep him over P or K...P would keep him...R/K would vote him out in a second NT

09/04/11 12:57 AM

Why does making a move = losing votes? It doesn't always work that way.

09/04/11 08:42 AM

I really don't get this guy . . .

09/04/11 12:41 AM

I passed on making a comment on your post above, but really, you seem to know the future. Do you think................

09/03/11 10:25 PM

It is not seeming "to know the future". It is called having an opinion . . .

09/04/11 10:25 AM

Yes. Porsche would take him over Rachel or Jordan. Kalia would take him over Rachel and maybe Jordan. Jordan takes Rachel. Likely vice versa too NT

09/04/11 03:29 PM

If I were any of them and had a chance to pick my F2 partner I would pick Jordan, because I Would not think that the jury would let her win again. NT

09/04/11 02:17 PM

I honestly think he's terrified of being hated by America. I really do.

09/04/11 04:43 PM

It's precisely BECAUSE he wants to be a fan favorite and play nice and boring that I despise Adam. NT

09/04/11 12:34 AM

Exactly. Throwing away money if he doesn't make this move. NT

09/04/11 08:22 PM

There's been much dumber moves than that. He'd be up there for most spineless though. NT

09/03/11 11:37 PM

09/03/11 09:24 PM

Why?? NT

Is it OK to start a top Post in praise of Adam? (Ducks for cover!) Here's my take:

09/03/11 08:35 PM

For coming in as a big Dick fan, he sure is turning out to be the anti-Dick of game play and not meeting people's expectations in that regard. :)

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09/03/11 05:27 PM

Theory

09/04/11 09:59 AM

Adam is a big Dick fan...that's what she said. Heh heh. NT

F-f-f-fine by me. <<8-D NT

09/04/11 08:17 PM

Adan's social game is much better than the one everyone is claiming Jordon is playing...he is loyal to those he trusts on

09/04/11 09:46 AM

I see it as A having the best shot against K. P will most likely get the BR + D + S + K. The simple "What have you done" question will kill Adam. NT

09/04/11 05:34 AM

Adam's game sucks. A simple reason to give you is he BELIEVES Jeff would have nominated Jordan as a pawn! NT

09/03/11 08:18 PM

Well golly jeeze. I believe Jordan would have volunteered to be the pawn. She only started really playing after Jeff left. NT

09/03/11 05:57 PM

Unless Adam chooses, do you think K or P would take him?

09/04/11 08:33 AM

Even if he did make it to F2, I don't see anyone in the jury voting for him over anyone else in the house unless it's someone they absolutely

09/04/11 08:38 AM

09/04/11 08:29 PM

Kalia maybe?? NT

P or K would take Adam because they believe that he has no game. They think THEY have ALL KINDS of game.

09/04/11 09:08 PM

The notorious All Stars 2 Prediction. BB7... why not BB14? Here's mine, what are yours?

09/04/11 10:42 AM

I think I'd rather see a 'redemption' season....

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09/02/11 04:05 PM

I like your idea and I like the people that you have in your pool of potentials for a season like that NT

09/04/11 12:58 AM

Here would be my redemption lineup

09/04/11 10:01 AM

09/04/11 02:39 AM

Not bad...

I think Annie would be a go because she was a big personality the little time she was in the house. Keith and Brian, meh. NT

09/04/11 03:14 AM

I don't recall how much made it to the aired shows, but Keith is...

09/04/11 04:22 PM

I'm sure Grod will want Jeff and Jordan back, she sees dollar signs in Jordan's empty blue eyes and in Jeff's chiseled chin. NT

09/05/11 01:44 AM

I'm not sure Shelly would do it again after everything that happened this season with her haters. I wouldn't subject my family to it again. NT

09/03/11 04:17 PM

BoPeep

09/03/11 02:09 PM

Fans shouldn't act like that, so I would hope Shelly would come back again. NT

I agree that they shouldn't but they unfortunately do. I would not come back if I were her NT

09/03/11 04:26 PM

As much as fans do hate her, it only made her fanbase grow stronger in support of her. Cause/Effect. Shelly will come back when she know she's safe NT

09/03/11 05:19 PM

Not in this lifetime. She's homebound. NT

09/03/11 05:47 PM

She has too much respect for the game to deny the opportunity again. Let's agree to disagree. NT

09/03/11 05:55 PM

i dont want to agree to disagree because you are wrong. :) shes done NT

09/03/11 06:23 PM

socal464

09/03/11 06:29 PM

And you base this on? Please don't act so rude, it shines a negative light on this community. NT

Lets try to apply a little logic to this discussion, do you that , after the way Shelly played this season.............

09/03/11 08:17 PM

As much as Shelly is hated, I think she also has a very strong fan base with many (mainly ED, Dani, alum) fans of the show

09/03/11 08:29 PM

Personally I would not mind her coming back in. I know that if she were my wife, with a daughter that young I would totally discourage her............

09/03/11 09:41 PM

The Mommy force is too strong and she won't return. NT

09/04/11 10:09 AM

I would add Eric S and Memphis to the list and take of CJ and Jeff. Jeff because I really think he meant he won't come back. And CJ cause I don't want

09/04/11 12:22 PM

09/03/11 01:09 PM

09/03/11 04:26 PM

09/04/11 01:00 AM

Very similar to picks I would have made

You made great choices, but if I saw that as a potential lineup, I would hope that some of them would be unavailable, and there would be a few changes

09/03/11 07:04 AM

Kagome

09/02/11 08:41 PM

I'll explain my reasoning.....

ED and Dani are done. Let's move on. NT

09/02/11 09:01 PM

Lets not. We didn't even get to see ED on the feeds this year. I, for one, wouldn't mind both or one of them back. They both make good TV NT

09/02/11 04:07 PM

would love to see both of them--ED more than anything--I think underestimating his popularity is unwise--most just don't want to get bashed NT

09/02/11 04:53 PM

LilyOberon

09/04/11 10:10 AM

I agree with you in that...

An advantage in experience, sure, but two fewer.

09/04/11 03:17 PM

Why would you get bashed for wanting to see Ed or Dani again? I would have loved to see how Ed would of played this season. NT

09/04/11 03:45 PM

That's a matter of opinion and most replies on this post disagree NT

09/04/11 10:15 AM

I'm of the opinion, based on what I have read/seen online, that a fairly good % of casual & online BB fans woud love to see ED again

09/02/11 08:39 PM

Everything on this board is a matter of opinion. I for one agree with this, my whole family agrees with this, and I'd imagine most JJ would because...

09/03/11 12:04 AM

Huge fan base. If ED doesn't come back after his major surgery (plus he has said he doesnt want to be in there with Dani again) then Dani will 100% NT

09/02/11 09:03 PM

ED surgery has nothing to do with the fact ED quit. Quitters are not All-stars. NT

09/02/11 04:09 PM

No it doesn't, but health could prevent him. Hope not and doubt it will. And he did NOT quit. I'd almost bet it has to do with RTVZone. and...

09/02/11 04:10 PM

I imagine Dick and Dani...

09/02/11 04:13 PM

ED's health and would he return...

09/04/11 11:40 AM

He left without being voted out. He quit. NT

09/04/11 11:18 AM

Okay, if that's your definition of quit then great. You think that. But I will tell you if the situation was "I Quit. I DOR" then ED would be

09/02/11 04:16 PM

I agree with you. We saw him called to the DR. He was not expecting to leave at that moment. NT

09/02/11 04:21 PM

SkyeBlue

09/03/11 12:41 PM

First time in many a BB moon that a strong 2-woman alliance, more or less popular with viewers may get to the end!

Joker's posters have been asking for women to band together for many seasons. I didn't really get the significance, but I do see women working

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09/02/11 11:16 AM

Kagome

09/02/11 08:47 PM

Is that why Porsche says she will take Adam to F2 and not Kalia? R&J both will take one another NT

"May" get to the end? WILL get to the end. With Adam as their flotation device, Jorchel is a lock for F2. Word of Grod. NT

09/03/11 08:23 AM

I really hope you are right NT

09/02/11 03:35 PM

I disagree. Both Jordan and Rachel have been saved by two different twists. The women at the end should be Porshe/Kalia/Shelly. All Strong women that

09/02/11 04:40 PM

If it wasn't for Rachel, Porsche would've been voted out the first

09/02/11 12:07 PM

DebbieInc

09/02/11 02:23 PM

The record is broken, it keeps on saying yada, yada yada and no one listens NT

Kalia/Porsche/Shelly alliance was tenuous at best. Listen to How Kalia throws Porsche under the bus. And Shelly? Working with K&P? Please!

09/02/11 01:31 PM

i am beyond glad shelly left last night NT

09/02/11 12:52 PM

Belle

09/02/11 12:25 PM

At min 5:23 of the latest episode you can see Jordan's lips miming Rachel's lines in the double DR

Jordan does that a lot when she has regular conversations with people. NT

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09/01/11 11:31 PM

jules11

09/02/11 08:58 AM

looked like Rachel was having more fun than Jordon NT

Did you ever for a second consider that Jordan might’ve coached her on what to say? NT

09/02/11 06:17 AM

If anyone made up that DR it was Rachel. That was Rachel through and through... NT

09/02/11 05:21 AM

Louise46

09/03/11 06:56 AM

They could have figured out what they were going to say & practiced it a couple times too.. NT

doodles444s

09/02/11 05:24 AM

My prediction: R noms P and K; P will win veto, A goes up; R breaks tie and boots K; P wins next HoH; R wins Veto; A goes home. PRJ F3 with RJ win

P has Janelle's lucky ring. Unfortunately Janelle's lucky ring always runs out of luck in 3rd place. NT

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09/01/11 09:48 PM

Indy900

09/02/11 05:45 PM

I loved Janelle, but jeez, how lucky can a ring be for her... she always lost by F3 NT

That's the way I'd predict it going too, given that R is best at comps and P is probably 2nd best.

09/02/11 07:42 PM

JAF

09/02/11 08:44 AM

If they use the typical, it's the timeline veto comp

I predict Porsche HOH, Adam POV, Rach evicted, Adam wins F3, takes Jordan, Jordan wins. F4 POV, if it's what it always is, is an ideal comp for himNT

09/02/11 09:02 AM

shade

09/02/11 04:58 AM

::checks script:: Yeah, I have the same schedule of events. NT

Thats not what my script sais. Rachel opens PB, which opens a small Black Hole that sucks her to China. With that, she is evicted. P wins HoH. NT

09/01/11 10:03 PM

Ah, you didn't get the revised script based on the most recent popularity numbers. ::hands over extra script:: NT

09/02/11 08:33 AM

What is this about a script? I must be the man who can’t be moved. <;-D NT

09/02/11 03:34 PM

seriously. It'd be a rigged F2. NT

09/02/11 04:46 PM

I would like to see it go to the end that way. NT

09/01/11 10:05 PM

Yes!! Me too!! But still so much game to be played to get there!! NT

09/01/11 09:53 PM

Rachel, competitor but not a strategist

09/01/11 11:55 PM

fanofdevious

1822

09/01/11 07:58 PM

K/P and many viewers seem to think F4 HoH has power in their arguments. In fact that HoH has no power at all other than personal survival to F3. NT

Nusa

09/05/11 10:01 AM

Actually it was not that big a deal with her winning HOH this week, next HOH doesn't matter, POV winner has all the power in F4 NT

Assuming Jordan actually was in 2nd place anyways; we still dont know for sure. Her Diary rooms, however, should cool down a level, unless

09/03/11 01:17 PM

On the feeds just now, Adam said he came in 2nd place. Rachel had no choice but to win it to insure her safety this week. NT

09/02/11 08:46 AM

Rachel's goodbye messages will cost her the game. Mark my words. She has no social game. NT

09/01/11 11:51 PM

But that's Rachel. She's upfront and brutally honest. Some goody-goody goodbye message would be a croc, and the other HGS would know it!

09/01/11 09:49 PM

You make a good point. She should’ve let Jordan take this one.

09/02/11 04:12 AM

From the conversations I heard last night Adam was in second place. Rachel had no choice since Adam is so iffy. NT

09/01/11 09:10 PM

A this point in the game can't she play for HOH again next week? I thought I read that somewhere on this site? NT

09/02/11 09:40 AM

Not this time. Next time, the HOH winner can play in the F3 HOH NT

09/01/11 09:18 PM

F4 HoH can play in F3. That's all, Folks. NT

09/01/11 09:26 PM

09/01/11 09:26 PM

AG’s Tweet

Hah, certainly a simular competition. Would have been funny had there been Kathy Props involved; maybe a sheriff badge. NT

760

09/01/11 05:55 PM

Yes, rigging exists in Big Brother

09/02/11 08:42 AM

How the heck do you know when PB was "concocted and executed?" And you definitely don't know when it was planned, unless you're a part of production.

7635

09/01/11 11:35 AM

This post is rigged! ;) NT

09/03/11 01:27 AM

Lol! Yes, Ephandis!, Now it all makes sense! NT

09/01/11 10:04 PM

even if PB was planned, the good/bad equation wasn't followed. how long did it take to plan it? why didn't it unleash badness unto other HGs? NT

09/02/11 08:25 AM

CaitlinRoran

09/01/11 03:28 PM

It sure did to Adam and Shelly NT

You seem to have some special inside scoop on waiters and Big Brother Twists...

09/01/11 04:03 PM

Well Kaila is by far the biggest HG using the BMI factor and she stayed up there for a long time. Oh by the way, walking does build up your legs....

09/01/11 03:23 PM

"Find a new thing to cry about" how about NO. This weeks production manipulation will go down in BB history . . .

09/01/11 04:09 PM

Okay, so let me, say, go with you on this...BRILLIANT moves by AG. Think

09/01/11 03:03 PM

09/02/11 12:33 AM

09/02/11 02:56 PM

09/02/11 03:21 PM

It had to be a mutual agreement amongst the players. R/J were picking each other no matter what. So they basically were determined by PB NT

I am sorry to disagree, but none of these competitions can be deemed unfair because some lack endurance, strength, brain power etc. If Shel and Adam

09/02/11 03:35 PM

Grammy

09/01/11 08:07 PM

I absolutely agree . . .

09/02/11 02:09 PM

A Brief History of BB13

09/02/11 03:12 PM

Okay . . .

How do I know they didn't want it? They dropped before everyone else. NT

09/02/11 03:45 PM

I don't know. Maybe JUST maybe their bodies couldn't handle it . . .

09/02/11 04:54 PM

Maybe A/S couldn't, but what's Prosche's excuse? Even Kalia was a competitor in other endurance challenges NT

09/02/11 05:36 PM

They don't really have an excuse. K/P lost to Rach on the Banana comp and they lost to her again at this past veto but . . .

09/02/11 07:48 PM

09/02/11 08:10 PM

Choice Revisited

I guess we will just have to . . .

09/03/11 06:27 AM

How do you know all of this information of what was going to happen?? It's pure speculation based on no fact whatsoever. You know what everyone is...

09/03/11 03:46 PM

LMAO... Now you think you should be the producer LOL NT

09/03/11 05:16 PM

Why? Becuse I have THE OPINION that the veto should not have been an endurance? GTFOH! NT

09/02/11 08:32 PM

Who Determines what I BETTER BELIEVE?

09/03/11 12:34 AM

Okay the waitressing thing is rediculous

09/01/11 05:09 PM

09/01/11 11:19 PM

A few points . . .

Thank you for proving my points. No reason or logic. All conjecture. NT

09/01/11 06:04 PM

Really that's it? I didn't bring any reason or logic? Okay then . . . to each their own NT

09/01/11 06:34 PM

No you don't. Not one iota of reasoning or especially logic! All conjecture on your part with not one iota of proof. NT

09/01/11 06:50 PM

Its just easier to deny deny and delude yourself when your favs are getting the CHEAP wins & clear HELP. Nice big asterisk attatched to this week NT

09/01/11 07:14 PM

I’m sorry you think this is some urination competition.

09/01/11 08:08 PM

If you don't believe AG did everything she could, PB/repeat comp POV, to help RJ, than IMO you ARE deluding yourself NT

09/01/11 09:20 PM

If your right then won't it be great to see R&J as F2? It will be for me NT

09/02/11 02:21 PM

what an insightful on topic reply . . . NT

09/01/11 04:12 PM

I thought so :-) ..... NT

09/01/11 04:57 PM

This is an opinion...not a fact. NT

09/01/11 05:06 PM

Pugsley

09/01/11 01:47 PM

Is it only my opinion that rigging holds up the comps and the lights in the house? No. It is there. You can see it. NT

Mikentosh, have you not read about the big conspiracy theory so Jordan or Rachel can win this season.....

09/01/11 02:40 PM

Pretty typical when other people are sharing their own opinion of how the show is unfolding. NT

09/01/11 04:17 PM

What? You think game is rigged also? NT

09/02/11 07:24 AM

09/02/11 10:14 AM

Sure I have, Sizzle

Jordan has a great shot at winning ....

09/01/11 05:01 PM

I agree w/you 100%. I have thought about most of this too but thank you for taking the time to type it out. :) NT

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09/01/11 07:45 AM

RyCoBlake3

09/02/11 10:46 PM

Best post I have read this summer (and might be longest) LOL. Every sentence was so well thought out and logical. It will be interesting to see how...

great post. I agree with most of it. One of Jordan's best assets in the BB game is the fact that everybody underestimates her. NT

09/01/11 03:12 PM

luciddream

09/01/11 02:22 PM

VERY good post. Got me thinking!! I'm still Rachel FTW (it would be such cathartic drama!), but would be happy with Jordan, too! NT

I like Rachel, but I kinda want people to flip out that Jordan wins for the second time. Evel Dick, past BB people will go nutso. NT

09/01/11 11:13 AM

I like Jordan too but, that's not a good enough reason for me to want her to win. Rachel has fought hard with everyone hating her & trying..

09/01/11 11:59 AM

True everyone hated Rachel. That was mostly Rachel's fault for her craziness in the beginning. NT

09/01/11 05:56 PM

Obviously. It doesn't hurt to have an entire production enterprise paving the way for her either. NT

09/01/11 06:14 PM

I know right. Just like everything else was rigged for JJR. If only Jeff had saw the clown shoe production placed beside his lane beforehand ... NT

09/01/11 10:44 AM

Actually, if you look, you can see Jeff throw that shoe out when he was diving into the balls. NT

09/01/11 12:00 PM

I know. I was just playing. I guess maybe I should have put lol. I do not believe everything is rigged for JJ or JR. :) NT

09/01/11 06:21 PM

First post this season...just had to chuck a couple of meandering

09/01/11 08:10 PM

I agree that folks shouldn't be butthurt over the show being rigged, it's nothing new. But it is rigged. I don't agree with your reasoing though...

3065

08/31/11 08:58 PM

But if the ratings drop, this show would be over. NT

09/01/11 10:39 AM

So production should propel "popular" people forward, in spite of their missteps, just to "please the fans". Sucks to be the one playing the game. NT

09/01/11 08:21 PM

If the fans quit watching then CBS cancels the show NT

09/01/11 10:09 PM

Yes Ephandis, they should. All entertainment shows do this in one

09/02/11 08:17 PM

Hmmm. Then I've never been happier that awful people like Maggie and Boogie have won this game ANYWAY. NT

09/01/11 11:27 PM

I agree about the Zingbot. But as THIS BB fan, I don't watch it for entertainment, I watch it for a GAME show where people outwit each other. Not

09/02/11 03:38 PM

It's not so much about them helping their own faves, but it is about making the best TV Show that they can. Not that it makes it right.

08/31/11 10:14 PM

Pyke, I respectfully disagree that you do not watch it for entertainment. If

09/02/11 07:31 AM

Well, then you will find it interesting that I enjoyed season one more than any of the others. Granted I skipped 2 - 8 when it became

09/01/11 11:33 PM

09/02/11 08:19 PM

So very true NT

But its not a game show. NT

09/02/11 05:51 AM

doodles444s

09/01/11 06:33 AM

Well, the EMMY's consider it a competition based reality show, which is essentially a game show.

" This show is a game, and personally, should be played as such. "

09/01/11 07:16 AM

The 'personal' IS the 'game'. The competitions are used merely to cull the herd throughout the season and

09/01/11 08:35 AM

Tbe “Big Brother” moniker is not about voyeurism

09/01/11 11:21 PM

I was of course using the term (in its most popular colloquial meaning

09/02/11 05:31 AM

The truly ironic part of all this is that the name does come from Orwell, as does the concept, which was begun in Europe and we reject here ,,,

09/05/11 02:43 AM

Very good book : ). I read 1984 because of Big Brother actually, once i had heard what the show had been vaguely themed of. NT

09/05/11 05:58 AM

Bravo to Mikentosh. You nailed it. NT

09/02/11 08:29 AM