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Shelly Beginning to End Part VI
09/14/11 01:09 PM




Shelly had a conversation with Jordan, flashback to Aug. 22, 10:14pm cams 3 & 4. Basically Shelly was letting Jordan know that she realized she had no chance at the money if they all got to F3. She told Jordan that she wanted F2 with her but realizes that if it came down to it, Jordan would take Jeff and Jeff would take Jordan. She said that she would neither expect nor want anything less. Jordan told her that she needed to do what she felt was best for her game. (Jordan tried to talk Shelly down but in reality, I think Jordan was all for Rachel F3 at this point. Remember that she had promised both Rachel and Shelly F3 AND lately she had been talking like it’s just her, Jeff & Rachel.)

Shelly wanted to see where Rachel’s head was at (being diligent). Flashback to Aug 23, 12:57pm, cam 3. The jest of this conversation is that Shelly was phishing for information. She wanted to get an idea of what Rachel’s plans were. Shelly tells Rachel that she plans to stick with Jeff & Jordan but wonders where that leaves them because Jeff & Jordan will take each other. Rachel, knowing that Shelly could tell Jeff and Jordan anything she says, chooses her words carefully. She tells Shelly that she is going to remain loyal to Jeff and Jordan. She said that she feels like she could win against Jordan and that Jordan knows that too. She said she can see a Jeff, Jordan, Shelly and Rachel F4 but that one of them will have to win the F4 HoH. Without ever actually saying it, Rachel planned to evict Jeff in the F4.

In her DR, episode 22 part 1, 10 min 50 sec., Shelly says,’ I can’t get Adam to vote to keep Daniele, so now I have to go work with the person I would LEAST like to work with, Rachel, and see if she’ll vote to keep Dani.’ After her attempts to sway Adam fail, Shelly is in the BY with Rachel while they were practicing the snake game. Flashback to Aug 25, 12:50am. Shelly is talking to Rachel and says, ‘If he (Adam) beats me, I will have a heart attack. I need to prove him wrong about that zing.’ Rachel asks what he said and Shelly said ‘something like, I didn’t have to worry about looking bad in that competition (robot) because Shelly had that covered.’ Her feelings were a little hurt and I guess Jeff had said something too. While discussing this, Shelly told Rachel (one time), ‘Jeff threw the corn hole game’ Rachel says ‘really?’ Shelly says, ‘I think so. I mean who has played the most corn hole in here? That’s what everyone told me, is that he threw it., Whether he did or didn’t…’ Rachel says, ‘Who?’ WBRB (her response was not shown on the feeds.) Youtube, episode 22 Part 1, 11 min, 2 sec., Shelly tells Rachel it was Daniele. Nowhere here did Shelly mention anything about voting to keep Daniele. She never tried to flip her. But this bit of info sent Rachel to Dani for a little talk.

If you would like to hear the whole conversation, you can Flashback to Aug 25, 1:02am, Cam 3. Rachel and Dani talk. All but one of the important parts was aired on the show, youtube episode 22 part 1, 12 mins. Rachel seemed surprised that Dani may have Shelly’s vote. However they failed to show one important part. Dani told Rachel that Shelly will not vote for her to stay if Adam (or anyone else) doesn’t vote with her. Rachel then tells Dani that if she votes to keep her, she can’t tell anyone because she will blame the vote on Adam. (Now c’mon, Dani had to tell Shelly that Rachel was in so that she could get her vote or it will all be for not. Personally, I think Rachel was setting Dani up to fail and Shelly up to get on the bad side of Jeff & Jordan. Rachel is again, trying to secure her place in the alliance with Jeff & Jordan.)

The reason I believe Rachel was trying to set Dani and Shelly up is because she marched upstairs to confront Jeff, to see this convo, you can Flashback to Aug 25, 2: 38am Cam 3. She starts out by saying ‘I don’t want to cause a lot of drama, (yeah right) but Shelly told me that you threw the corn hole competition.’ Jeff asked, ‘Where did she hear that from?’ Rachel said maybe Daniele and some other people. She said it was obvious.’ Jeff of course lied through his teeth and denied it. He was getting mad, (Intimidation tactics). WBRB The talk resumes at 2: 55am & about 17 sec. Trying to deflect his own guilt about throwing the comp, Jeff started in about Dani, Shelly and Adam. They went around and around. Rachel told them again that it’s all Shelly. Rachel is the one that put into Jordan’s head that she was probably in the DR saying she has everyone wrapped around her finger, etc. Adam got involved and they had already made plans to cut Shelly loose. They had all agreed that they wouldn’t say anything until after the vote to make sure Dani was going.

Jeff & Jordan both knew the whole time that Shelly was playing the other side to get information but they are acting like they never knew. Basically what it boils down to is that the whole reason Jeff & Jordan were dragging Adam and Shelly to the end is because they knew they could easily beat them in the end. They claim that the whole time Shelly was playing them but in reality, they could care less about Shelly or Adam. Jeff & Jordan were playing Shelly and Adam! Don’t get me wrong, I love Jeff and Jordan. This whole game I was thinking that if Shelly left, I would want Jeff & Jordan to pull it out. But by this point in the game, I am thoroughly turned off by Jeff and very disappointed in Jordan. Jeff talks in circles, contradicts himself left and right and talks down to everyone. He raises his voice and uses a bullying tone. He and Jordan both absolutely expected everyone to play the game for them. They had America, they knew that and let it go to their heads.

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* Shelly Beginning to end... Part I
Louise46
09/14/11 12:55 PM
xx * Setting a record straight here...
Louise46
09/21/11 10:25 AM
xx * Actually, Kalia/Porsche said "Falling down the stairs could be a form of birth control" and all four of them laughed about it. The issue is not
SCDrMom
09/24/11 07:59 AM
xx * People are totally not understanding my point of the post....
Louise46
09/27/11 06:24 AM
xx * Louise, I completely understand what you are trying to say, but it is your defense of Shelly that I believe that people are taking issue with. This is
SCDrMom
09/27/11 09:27 AM
xx * For Shelly, it all comes down to guilt by association, her decision to hang with the mean girls.
ashergold
09/27/11 10:12 AM
xx * Sigh...Nevermind SMH NT
Louise46
09/27/11 11:15 AM
xx * See, I really need the flashback date and time. People wanna say it happened but until I have proof, it was cam 5! 2 much made up stuff this year NT
Louise46
09/25/11 05:32 PM
xx * 8/21 7:30-8:05pm camera 4 live feeds Shelly
ashergold
09/25/11 10:55 PM
xx * See as I said in the post 'Setting a record straight here'
Louise46
09/26/11 06:53 PM
xx * Further explanation live feed 8/21 response shelly by conversation-Louise
ashergold
09/26/11 11:43 PM
xx * Nevermind NT
Louise46
09/27/11 10:24 AM
xx * Louise, I don't think there is a person on here that would agree that what was done to Shelly and her family is right. I personally contacted FB &
SCDrMom
09/27/11 04:26 PM
xx * Louise, I definitely do not want to belabor this point any longer than it has to. However, I just want to say a few more things and be done:
SCDrMom
09/26/11 08:33 PM
xx * Re: Offensive conversation-shelly, Porsche, kahlia, etc. 8/21-7:37pm lvfeeds-SCDrMom,Louise
ashergold
09/26/11 10:46 PM
xx * Welcome to Jokers, ashergold. I am so glad to see a "newbie" step
LibraLady
09/26/11 08:18 AM
xx * Awesome summation....and your final line was priceless...LOL NT
SCDrMom
09/26/11 08:13 AM
xx * Not made up at all FB 8/21 7:37pm Cam 4, Kalia, Dani, Porsche & Shelly all talking and laughing and having a good old time joking about it. Again,
SCDrMom
09/25/11 09:30 PM
xx * Great assessment Louise, I agree with everything you say about Shelly, and its one of the reasons I liked her as a player. But I do disagree with..
ThoughtCriminal
09/18/11 10:14 PM
xx * My response is in bold
Louise46
09/22/11 07:57 AM
xx * Well, he "kept them safe" long enough, he had fulfilled his role, and then it was time for him to go. He was more of a threat than an asset then. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 05:48 PM
xx * All is fair in love and war... LOL NT
Louise46
09/22/11 07:58 AM
xx * Yep! You don't get points for "being true to your BFFs" if you still get voted out before F2. The name of the game is "don't get evicted". NT
Ephandis
09/23/11 10:44 PM
xx * Very very well said! Thanks for taking the time to share it! NT
bbwarrior
09/20/11 02:36 PM
xx * One other thing I have to say, When Shelly said she heard Jordan and Rachel calling her a bitch, that was NOT true, Shelly was spying and listnening
mango
09/18/11 09:00 PM
xx * She obviously didn't hear it correctly and truly felt it was about her, hence, the hurt feelings. Do you have a FB date and time? TIA. NT
Louise46
09/19/11 07:41 AM
xx * Louise, I have it somewhere, will check & post, but look down...Shelly tweeted about your post on here! She loved it!!!!!! NT
SCDrMom
09/19/11 11:15 AM
xx * AND Shelly is referring others to this post to defend herself. PPL are really mean-twitter haters now. NT
archer
09/20/11 08:33 PM
xx * These haters are unbelieveable. Everyone else has let it go, why can't they? NT
Louise46
09/21/11 06:10 AM
xx * I see a few problems with this theory, Jeff was the only competitor of the 4 that could win physical comps, that is why they should have protected him
mango
09/18/11 08:48 PM
xx * Actually, I don't think Shelly was going to vote for Dani to stay
Louise46
09/19/11 05:20 PM
xx * Thanks to whomever linked to this for Shelly to read on her Twitter, maybe it will bring Shelly to start posting on JU! Shelly, you have lots of fans
AwfuLeeHandsome
09/18/11 07:48 PM
xx * Yep, Grod-dora's Box is what killed Shelly's game, not anything Shelly did. A good BB player knows you have to play Production and America too. NT
Ephandis
09/19/11 01:21 PM
xx * Just wanted to let you know....Shelly herself replied....Tweet inside:
SCDrMom
09/18/11 08:26 PM
xx * Thanks Louise for the best thread I've read all summer. I think you are spot on about Shelly. Despite her vote for Rachel, Shelly is still my fav NT
SunnyInAZ
09/16/11 02:54 PM
xx * Geez, Louise. That was thorough.
Mikentosh
09/16/11 02:42 PM
xx * My responses are in bold...
Louise46
09/19/11 08:46 PM
xx * I’ll only respiond to the one reply. You restated your opinions well enough
Mikentosh
09/20/11 06:31 AM
xx * Ugh no, Shelly wasn't the cause of her demise. AG and a mad dash to save Jordan after her gameplay failed took out Shelly. NT
AwfuLeeHandsome
09/18/11 07:41 PM
xx * What makes you so sure Jordan would have left instead of Rachel? NT
ScottySayz
09/18/11 08:30 PM
xx * That POV was Rachel's to lose, and sure enough, she won it! And saved Coattails Jordan in the process. NT
Ephandis
09/19/11 01:22 PM
xx * oh! Can't wait to read this :) Thanks! I had a couple issues with Shelly, but I'm so glad someone showed up to show what BB is really about for me. NT
liquid8d
09/14/11 11:11 PM
xx * wow. 9 parts? U took in-depth seriously. I was a Shelly fan. The turning point for me was not the flip
archer
09/14/11 05:04 PM
xx * archer I also remember that and was really surprised that she felt it was her place to suggest/imply that NT
MsB
09/14/11 06:01 PM
xx * OK So I am not able to find this in flashbacks, do you know when this happened? I do remember a talk
Louise46
09/14/11 05:58 PM
xx * Was this the convo in flashbacks Aug 17 @ 10:32am? NT
Louise46
09/14/11 05:36 PM
xx * It wasn't this one... NT
Louise46
09/14/11 05:53 PM
xx * BTW... outstanding postS... NT
archer
09/14/11 05:17 PM
xx * I will have to re-watch that talk and get back to you. NT
Louise46
09/14/11 05:12 PM
xx * TY... It did take me quite a long time but I poured over Flashbacks and episodes. It's like watching the whole season twice! LOL Kinda fun! NT
Louise46
09/14/11 04:41 PM
xx * Great analysis, Louise. It obviously took a lot of time and a lot of thought to put this together. I really enjoyed it. NT
cantgetenough
09/14/11 04:11 PM
xx * Wow, that was long, but it was a GREAT read. I wish people would take off their Jeff-n-Jordan-colored glasses and look at the situation clearly. NT
Ephandis
09/14/11 03:40 PM
xx * I thought Shelly's elitist game of Hubris was gawdawful & Jeff & Jordan were the only ones snowed by it! NT
BestBBEvers
09/15/11 02:15 PM
xx * Hmmm, I didn't think that Shelly came off elitist at all, quite the contrary. Very informal, homespun and folksy. And hubris? Not a word I'd pick. NT
Ephandis
09/15/11 10:40 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part IX
Louise46
09/14/11 01:20 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VIII
Louise46
09/14/11 01:13 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VII
Louise46
09/14/11 01:11 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VI
Louise46
09/14/11 01:09 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part V
Louise46
09/14/11 01:07 PM
xx * Shelly, Beginnging to End Part IV
Louise46
09/14/11 01:05 PM
xx * Shelly beginning to end Part III
Louise46
09/14/11 01:04 PM
xx * Shelly beginning to end... Part II
Louise46
09/14/11 01:01 PM
xx * Shelly is a con-artist who thought she had the game "in the bag" the minute she walked in the house & she was WRONG. She played an obvi con-artist
BestBBEvers
09/15/11 02:14 PM
xx * Con-Artist? Hubris? Elitist? LMAO Shelly? Those are words I might use for Brendon & Rachel. Maybe even Jeff and Jordan but NOT Shelly! ROTFLMAO NT
Louise46
09/16/11 06:45 AM
xx * Again, Shelly wasn't elitist, or really overconfident, which is what I think you really mean to say when you say elitist. Shelly...
Ephandis
09/15/11 10:46 PM
xx * I agree...
phygit
09/18/11 08:33 AM
xx * Talk to me about Shelly in the BB house contrasted with Shelly in the jury house if you see any differences.
Mikentosh
09/16/11 02:33 PM
xx * My responses are in bold...
Louise46
09/16/11 09:23 PM
xx * I tend to agree with Louise on this, and the way Jeff has backpedaled in subsequent interviews reinforces this view. He seems to get it now. NT
Ephandis
09/16/11 10:58 PM
xx * Jeff's interviews ONLY reinforce him trying to HELP Shelly with the Nutsos that went after her. NOT a JJ fan either NT
Emijo
09/18/11 10:45 PM
xx * J & J & S are friends! I <3 How they can let it go. Just game! J & J were mortified by the threats against S & her fam...genuinely cared. NT
Louise46
09/20/11 12:41 PM

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