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odinsin
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BB13: Retrospective
09/17/11 10:08 AM




Now that BB13 is over, I thought it'd be fun to discuss some of the stuff that happened in the season void of the bias that usually dictates discussions like these. With that in mind, I'll try to ebb away from talking about anything that can be seen too subjectively as it relates to the players themselves.

1. Newbies vs. Vets

I really disliked this element of the game. The new kids may have had the numbers, but EXPERIENCE is a much more important factor in this game. All of the vets could acclimate quickly to their environment. The newbies could not do this. Rachel and Brendon had a major advantage over everyone else in this dept. as they had just got out the game a year ago. It probably took them no time to go right back into this mode, as evidenced by their behavior and how both of them realized over the first few weeks (and afterward in their interviews) that they were playing the game, in some form, like it was still BB12 despite different situations, cast mates, and twists.

A prime example of experience being important is the first few HoHs. Most of the time, one might want to throw the first HoH. That would have been fine if the vets weren't around. This year, however, the first HoH was very important for the flow of the game. Also, who would want to go up against comp beasts like Rachel, Dani, and Brendon; the social butterfly Jordan and her beau Jeff; or the chaotic and hard hitting Dick on their first time in the game? No sane person that's for sure.

2. Alliances

I was really impressed that one of the power alliances in this season was all female (plus Lawon). That rarely happens. Even more impressive is that Dani's unnamed alliance (though it has many fan created names) never turned on each other, never had any in-fighting, and were good competitors in their own right, even if they made huge mistakes time and time again. I sometimes found myself questioning their social game due to them spending all day in the HoH room, but it was endearing to know that, for once, the females this year (minus Cassi and Shelly for obvious reasons) were able to stick together and not turn on one another. The same thing can be said for the late blooming duo of Jorchel, which was a nicely balanced team.

3. Men vs. Women

For the most part, the women were the power players this year. From the manipulative games of Shelly to the competitive streaks of Rachel, Dani, Kalia, and Porsche, it seemed destined that a woman would win, especially by the time we got down to the final 8. The men, on the other hand, didn't have the greatest showing this year with most of their wins coming in the form of vetoes and split between 4 male players the whole game.

Surprisingly, most of the women held some form of noticeable power this year. Of the 7 women in the house, 5 of them won HoH or veto (71%). Of the 6 guys in the house, 4 of them won veto or HoH (66%). If we include Dick in the equation, the guys' stats drops to 4/7 or 57%.

4. Competitions

The comps this year were a odd mix of nostalgia and interesting. Some time during the season, I had an odd feeling that they were just going to recycle competitions from BB12, BB8, and BB11 because of the vets being in the picture, and for the most part, that is what happened, but they did switch things up a bit this year. We didn't get a morph challenge at all, for example, and they cut down on the quiz challenges and overloaded on skill and endurances. Oddly missing were the purely physical challenges that were peppered all throughout the other seasons and typically involved ropes. For the most part, we didn't get to really appreciate the challenges because too many people wanted to throw them or just downright sucked at them. Next year, they need to aim for a cast that has a higher appreciation for 500k so their competitive drive kicks in and they FIGHT for their chance to get the money.

5. Overall

In general, this season was a mixed bag. It was nice seeing some of the vets again, but ultimately, most of them were tainted for me in some form as they all fell back into their respective season roles. Some of the things I wanted to happen, like a full out endurance battle between Rachel and Dani or Rachel/Dani dominating the house competitively, never had a chance to happen, and by the end of the game, all the life had been drained from the show because most of the big characters were gone, and Rachel can't be entertaining without someone to bounce off of competitively and/or personally. The newbies turned out to be a giant miss except for, perhaps, Dominic who brought life into the house and actually wanted to be there and compete. It's a shame none of them really got that opportunity or just willingly gave it up. Also disappointing was the editing of the show as it was obvious that they wanted certain things to happen but didn't have the material to make it happen. We were overwhelmed in the early season by Brenchel vs. JJ, then it became Rachel vs. Dani, and we ended it on Jeff vs. Dani, and it's sad that these were the storylines that stood out on a show with FOURTEEN (or THIRTEEN) CAST MATES. Apparently, those other 8 people on the cast just didn't matter outside of being supplementary characters. Unfortunate for them.

So, what do you guys think?

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* BB13: Retrospective
odinsin
09/17/11 10:08 AM
xx * regarding #1 in your list.... to quote Rachel, "Oh, are there sides?" (more inside)
noslop4me
10/13/11 07:52 PM
xx * Well said. "The new kids may have had the numbers, but EXPERIENCE is a much more important factor in this game." That was my problem from Day 1 of
Marley
09/19/11 10:56 AM
xx * Exactly, the vets had devoted life partners! The noobies got hooked up with a stranger who was tempted to backstab them for weeks of safety! Who
AwfuLeeHandsome
09/20/11 04:04 PM
xx * One major issue comes out quickly: competitors vs. social gamers ... >
supercn
09/19/11 10:28 AM
xx * Good post. I'd call BB13 "Fans vs. Faves + Production" though. EVERY twist benefitted the vets. NT
Ephandis
09/20/11 01:47 PM
xx * except Porsches golden ride on the golden key... cant forget that one. NT
bbwarrior
09/21/11 08:16 AM
xx * Yeah, yeah, it helped her outlast Cassi, Dominic, and Lawon. Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo. She wasn't a target those weeks anyway. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 01:18 PM
xx * Jordan/Jeff wanted to target her week 2 and couldn't. NT
odinsin
09/22/11 12:52 AM
xx * Being safe in Week 2 is meaningless. There's a whole herd of people, and who's to say they would have even had the votes to get her out. NT
Ephandis
09/22/11 09:40 PM
xx * Being safe in week 2 would have meant a lot to Cassi, I think. And it'd be no prob getting votes. No one liked Porsche in week 2 but Rach & Adam. NT
odinsin
09/23/11 07:24 AM
xx * Cassi wouldn't have made it that far anyway. She didn't know how to play the social game. Porsche at least knew to lay low at first. NT
Ephandis
09/23/11 03:44 PM
xx * THE ONLY reason Cassi was targeted was her looks plus her friendship with Dominic NT
SizzleNC
09/24/11 06:17 AM
xx * pretty, pretty Cassi and her inability to talk to and make connection with women until she was on the block. :S NT
odinsin
09/24/11 02:37 PM
xx * I agree with most...
phygit
09/18/11 09:07 AM
xx * I also would have given up all the vets, even Daniele, for 6 new players. Daniele was the only one who played a new game.
Ephandis
09/20/11 02:02 PM
xx * I disagree. I think Daniele wasn't used to being out of control, so she rebelled on the Vets WAY too fast
supercn
09/28/11 08:56 AM
xx * Agreed - on all points. NT
phygit
09/22/11 09:48 AM
xx * Danielle only played differently because her replacement for Nick (Dominick) was evicted early..
doodles444s
09/21/11 10:43 AM
xx * Yes and no...
phygit
09/22/11 09:52 AM
xx * Then why was she the 7th person voted out? Plus she had a free ride for the first four weeks NT
SizzleNC
09/24/11 06:19 AM
xx * I didn't say that it was good enough - just that it was better :) NT
phygit
09/24/11 09:08 PM
xx * Dani's week 1 & 2 gameplay was different. From week 3 onward, she slowly became BB8 Dani. Sorry. NT
odinsin
09/21/11 11:02 AM
xx * Funny, I didn't see Daniele ignoring everyone and letting her Dad do all the social game, while she won comps. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 01:23 PM
xx * lol @ me not even saying anything specific and conclusions being jumped to. NT
odinsin
09/22/11 12:53 AM
xx * considering dick wasnt on the feeds i dont think it would be possible for you to see that NT
doodles444s
09/21/11 03:53 PM
xx * Yeah. EXACTLY. Good eye. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 05:15 PM
xx * :) NT
MsB
09/21/11 04:40 PM
xx * So true and it got her evicted and in 8th place. Great game play...NOT NT
SizzleNC
09/21/11 10:17 AM
xx * Oh, Daniele's no strategic genius, I'm not saying that. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 01:23 PM
xx * Good read. I disliked that BB "stacked the deck" with JeJo fans Adam and Shelly. That killed the Newbies chances more than anything. NT
Ephandis
09/17/11 08:15 PM
xx * Adam wasn't a JJ fan. He just chose to work with them AFTER the newbies started to crumble. NT
ScottySayz
09/18/11 08:33 PM
xx * Dr Will's IS history & Dick & Dani have out lived their welcome. J/J are America's Couple #1 & #3 on Twitter, combined getting 75% in most polls. NT
steven
09/18/11 08:06 PM
xx * No matter what you do, most new HG will be J/J fans. NT
steven
09/18/11 08:10 PM
xx * So I guess the solution is to keep Jeff and Jordan out of the Big Brother house. Watching them being idolized is crap TV. NT
Ephandis
09/19/11 01:18 PM
xx * Jeff for All-Stars 2. NT
Kay19
09/19/11 08:01 PM
xx * And AG just needs to stop all the posturing and give him a Golden Key that's good up to the Final 2. Why pretend, Grodner, why pretend? NT
Ephandis
09/20/11 10:25 AM
xx * I think that would be great, everyone play to beat Jeff in F 2 LOL NT
SizzleNC
09/21/11 10:19 AM
xx * And you're not even kidding, I bet. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 10:49 AM
xx * Yea, I am :-) ... NT
SizzleNC
09/21/11 04:49 PM
xx * I know wasn't that the best -:) .. NT
SizzleNC
09/17/11 09:02 PM
xx * Not really. I don't care for stacked decks no matter whom they favour. NT
treefrog
09/18/11 07:55 PM

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