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This is a response to: Great assessment Louise, I agree with everything you say about Shelly, and its one of the reasons I liked her as a player. But I do disagree with..
Louise46
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09/22/11 07:57 AM




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some of the commentary on Jeff. I don't think that Jeff really felt that everyone should play the game for him to win the $500,000, but I do think he felt like Shelly and Adam owed him something because he was the strongest one in that alliance. He was the one winning competitions and putting his a*s on the line by standing in obvious opposition to Dani and her alliance. He had basically stuck his neck out for the team, even moreso when he turned down what could have been a great alliance with Dani to stick with Shelly and Adam, while Shelly and Jordan were able to fly under the radar making nice with everyone. Of course Jeff isn't going to get mad at Jordan for this, because he knows that Jordan would ultimately sacrifice herself for him if need be, but you can see how he would become frustrated with Shelly.




Jeff drug Shelly and Adam along because he thought they were weak and he could easily beat them in the end. Even Jordan said Shelly was good to take to the end because she can't win anything. J & J turned down that deal with Dani because they didn't trust her, PERIOD. Jeff was mad when Shelly got wise to them and started thinking of her own game because it totally screwed up his plans. But had Jeff just kept his mouth SHUT and not attacked Shelly, she might not have flipped when she did.

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He must have felt like, here I am doing all of the work on this team while they buddy up to the other side. And then to hear that what was once "Trojan-horsing" has actually turned into Shelly wanting to switch sides and keep Daniele...that would be just plain infuriating. I think that what some viewers called "bullying tactics" was more like Jeff venting his frustration that he was giving a lot to an alliance that wasn't giving much back to him (except for Rachel, but she's a whole 'nother story!).




He didn't really mind doing 'all the work' cuz he thought it was going to pay off in the end. Jeff knew about Shelly's Trojan Horse gameplay and as long as it was working to benefit him, he was fine with it. Jeff used bully tactics on everyone, not just Shelly and Adam. Up until Brendon left to Jury, Rachel was one of J & J's biggest adversaries! She betrayed them and backstabbed them a heckofalot more than Shelly EVER did. Just Sayin'

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You can say that Jeff and Jordan had already turned on Shelly and Adam before the double eviction week ever happened, but I just don't see that as true. They definitely voiced concerns about them all the time, but I saw that more as their paranoid ramblings shared amongst partners rather than a serious objective to turn on Shelly and Adam. I think it is telling that Jeff and Jordan never revealed their final 3 deal with Shelly to anyone; I think that's because it was their one and only true alliance. They didn't mind outing their final deals with Rachel and Brendon because if one of them was cut out, oh well, but I think they really did want to protect Shelly.




As I said before, Jeff's plan was to take the two weakest players to the end so that he and Jordan could walk away with $550G's. But they were willing to cut them loose or make them a target in front of them at any time. He certainly threw both Shelly and Adam under the bus to deflect his own quilt when Rachel came knocking on his HoH door. Jordan promised F3 to both Shelly AND Rachel and didn't tell Rach about Shelly and didn't tell Shelly about Rach. Who was her true alliance? Shelly and Adam were merely calateral damage to them.

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The truth is, in their actions, they always sided with Shelly, and later Adam. If they really didn't care about Shelly and wanted to just cut her loose at an opportune time, they could have easily done so the second time that Brendon was evicted. In fact, it would have been much better for Jeff's game to keep Brendon, a bigger target, around instead of Shelly, who couldn't even be counted on to keep the team safe through a competition win. If Jeff was thinking solely about what would benefit him, he would have tried really hard to win that cornhole competition, not use the veto, and vote out Shelly or Adam. But obviously they WEREN'T expendable to him, rather Brendon was. Jeff and Jordan made a conscious choice that week to stick by Adam and Shelly, and I do feel that Shelly was not all too grateful for that, and for the fact that she may have been out of the game much sooner had Jeff not been protecting her.




The truth is, Brendon was a physical threat to Jeff & Jordan's end game. If the opportunity was there to cut Brendon loose, why not take it? Shelly was not a physical threat. Rachel was still there as a target in front of Jeff. Shelly was very honored and grateful to be playing the game with her fave's. She adored them (and still does). But as I said, Shelly got wise and started playing her own game.

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So basically, I feel that Jeff had a right to be pissed and feel betrayed, and that it wasn't bully tactics but plain hurt and frustration that caused him to act the way he did a few times. Shelly says Jeff was calling the shots, but, well, he kind of deserved to, he was the one keeping them safe.




Jeff had a right to be pissed off. His game was blown. But Shelly had the right to do what she felt was best for her game too. Jeff had been using the bully tactic's throughout the season with everyone, not just Shelly and it had NOTHING to do with being hurt. But the irony here is that Shelly was going to vote to evict Dani AND she probably would NOT have voted out Jeff had his bullying ways not ultimately pushed Shelly over the edge. He shot himself in the foot!

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* Shelly Beginning to end... Part I
Louise46
09/14/11 12:55 PM
xx * Setting a record straight here...
Louise46
09/21/11 10:25 AM
xx * Actually, Kalia/Porsche said "Falling down the stairs could be a form of birth control" and all four of them laughed about it. The issue is not
SCDrMom
09/24/11 07:59 AM
xx * People are totally not understanding my point of the post....
Louise46
09/27/11 06:24 AM
xx * Louise, I completely understand what you are trying to say, but it is your defense of Shelly that I believe that people are taking issue with. This is
SCDrMom
09/27/11 09:27 AM
xx * For Shelly, it all comes down to guilt by association, her decision to hang with the mean girls.
ashergold
09/27/11 10:12 AM
xx * Sigh...Nevermind SMH NT
Louise46
09/27/11 11:15 AM
xx * See, I really need the flashback date and time. People wanna say it happened but until I have proof, it was cam 5! 2 much made up stuff this year NT
Louise46
09/25/11 05:32 PM
xx * 8/21 7:30-8:05pm camera 4 live feeds Shelly
ashergold
09/25/11 10:55 PM
xx * See as I said in the post 'Setting a record straight here'
Louise46
09/26/11 06:53 PM
xx * Further explanation live feed 8/21 response shelly by conversation-Louise
ashergold
09/26/11 11:43 PM
xx * Nevermind NT
Louise46
09/27/11 10:24 AM
xx * Louise, I don't think there is a person on here that would agree that what was done to Shelly and her family is right. I personally contacted FB &
SCDrMom
09/27/11 04:26 PM
xx * Louise, I definitely do not want to belabor this point any longer than it has to. However, I just want to say a few more things and be done:
SCDrMom
09/26/11 08:33 PM
xx * Re: Offensive conversation-shelly, Porsche, kahlia, etc. 8/21-7:37pm lvfeeds-SCDrMom,Louise
ashergold
09/26/11 10:46 PM
xx * Welcome to Jokers, ashergold. I am so glad to see a "newbie" step
LibraLady
09/26/11 08:18 AM
xx * Awesome summation....and your final line was priceless...LOL NT
SCDrMom
09/26/11 08:13 AM
xx * Not made up at all FB 8/21 7:37pm Cam 4, Kalia, Dani, Porsche & Shelly all talking and laughing and having a good old time joking about it. Again,
SCDrMom
09/25/11 09:30 PM
xx * Great assessment Louise, I agree with everything you say about Shelly, and its one of the reasons I liked her as a player. But I do disagree with..
ThoughtCriminal
09/18/11 10:14 PM
xx * My response is in bold
Louise46
09/22/11 07:57 AM
xx * Well, he "kept them safe" long enough, he had fulfilled his role, and then it was time for him to go. He was more of a threat than an asset then. NT
Ephandis
09/21/11 05:48 PM
xx * All is fair in love and war... LOL NT
Louise46
09/22/11 07:58 AM
xx * Yep! You don't get points for "being true to your BFFs" if you still get voted out before F2. The name of the game is "don't get evicted". NT
Ephandis
09/23/11 10:44 PM
xx * Very very well said! Thanks for taking the time to share it! NT
bbwarrior
09/20/11 02:36 PM
xx * One other thing I have to say, When Shelly said she heard Jordan and Rachel calling her a bitch, that was NOT true, Shelly was spying and listnening
mango
09/18/11 09:00 PM
xx * She obviously didn't hear it correctly and truly felt it was about her, hence, the hurt feelings. Do you have a FB date and time? TIA. NT
Louise46
09/19/11 07:41 AM
xx * Louise, I have it somewhere, will check & post, but look down...Shelly tweeted about your post on here! She loved it!!!!!! NT
SCDrMom
09/19/11 11:15 AM
xx * AND Shelly is referring others to this post to defend herself. PPL are really mean-twitter haters now. NT
archer
09/20/11 08:33 PM
xx * These haters are unbelieveable. Everyone else has let it go, why can't they? NT
Louise46
09/21/11 06:10 AM
xx * I see a few problems with this theory, Jeff was the only competitor of the 4 that could win physical comps, that is why they should have protected him
mango
09/18/11 08:48 PM
xx * Actually, I don't think Shelly was going to vote for Dani to stay
Louise46
09/19/11 05:20 PM
xx * Thanks to whomever linked to this for Shelly to read on her Twitter, maybe it will bring Shelly to start posting on JU! Shelly, you have lots of fans
AwfuLeeHandsome
09/18/11 07:48 PM
xx * Yep, Grod-dora's Box is what killed Shelly's game, not anything Shelly did. A good BB player knows you have to play Production and America too. NT
Ephandis
09/19/11 01:21 PM
xx * Just wanted to let you know....Shelly herself replied....Tweet inside:
SCDrMom
09/18/11 08:26 PM
xx * Thanks Louise for the best thread I've read all summer. I think you are spot on about Shelly. Despite her vote for Rachel, Shelly is still my fav NT
SunnyInAZ
09/16/11 02:54 PM
xx * Geez, Louise. That was thorough.
Mikentosh
09/16/11 02:42 PM
xx * My responses are in bold...
Louise46
09/19/11 08:46 PM
xx * I’ll only respiond to the one reply. You restated your opinions well enough
Mikentosh
09/20/11 06:31 AM
xx * Ugh no, Shelly wasn't the cause of her demise. AG and a mad dash to save Jordan after her gameplay failed took out Shelly. NT
AwfuLeeHandsome
09/18/11 07:41 PM
xx * What makes you so sure Jordan would have left instead of Rachel? NT
ScottySayz
09/18/11 08:30 PM
xx * That POV was Rachel's to lose, and sure enough, she won it! And saved Coattails Jordan in the process. NT
Ephandis
09/19/11 01:22 PM
xx * oh! Can't wait to read this :) Thanks! I had a couple issues with Shelly, but I'm so glad someone showed up to show what BB is really about for me. NT
liquid8d
09/14/11 11:11 PM
xx * wow. 9 parts? U took in-depth seriously. I was a Shelly fan. The turning point for me was not the flip
archer
09/14/11 05:04 PM
xx * archer I also remember that and was really surprised that she felt it was her place to suggest/imply that NT
MsB
09/14/11 06:01 PM
xx * OK So I am not able to find this in flashbacks, do you know when this happened? I do remember a talk
Louise46
09/14/11 05:58 PM
xx * Was this the convo in flashbacks Aug 17 @ 10:32am? NT
Louise46
09/14/11 05:36 PM
xx * It wasn't this one... NT
Louise46
09/14/11 05:53 PM
xx * BTW... outstanding postS... NT
archer
09/14/11 05:17 PM
xx * I will have to re-watch that talk and get back to you. NT
Louise46
09/14/11 05:12 PM
xx * TY... It did take me quite a long time but I poured over Flashbacks and episodes. It's like watching the whole season twice! LOL Kinda fun! NT
Louise46
09/14/11 04:41 PM
xx * Great analysis, Louise. It obviously took a lot of time and a lot of thought to put this together. I really enjoyed it. NT
cantgetenough
09/14/11 04:11 PM
xx * Wow, that was long, but it was a GREAT read. I wish people would take off their Jeff-n-Jordan-colored glasses and look at the situation clearly. NT
Ephandis
09/14/11 03:40 PM
xx * I thought Shelly's elitist game of Hubris was gawdawful & Jeff & Jordan were the only ones snowed by it! NT
BestBBEver
09/15/11 02:15 PM
xx * Hmmm, I didn't think that Shelly came off elitist at all, quite the contrary. Very informal, homespun and folksy. And hubris? Not a word I'd pick. NT
Ephandis
09/15/11 10:40 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part IX
Louise46
09/14/11 01:20 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VIII
Louise46
09/14/11 01:13 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VII
Louise46
09/14/11 01:11 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VI
Louise46
09/14/11 01:09 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part V
Louise46
09/14/11 01:07 PM
xx * Shelly, Beginnging to End Part IV
Louise46
09/14/11 01:05 PM
xx * Shelly beginning to end Part III
Louise46
09/14/11 01:04 PM
xx * Shelly beginning to end... Part II
Louise46
09/14/11 01:01 PM
xx * Shelly is a con-artist who thought she had the game "in the bag" the minute she walked in the house & she was WRONG. She played an obvi con-artist
BestBBEver
09/15/11 02:14 PM
xx * Con-Artist? Hubris? Elitist? LMAO Shelly? Those are words I might use for Brendon & Rachel. Maybe even Jeff and Jordan but NOT Shelly! ROTFLMAO NT
Louise46
09/16/11 06:45 AM
xx * Again, Shelly wasn't elitist, or really overconfident, which is what I think you really mean to say when you say elitist. Shelly...
Ephandis
09/15/11 10:46 PM
xx * I agree...
phygit
09/18/11 08:33 AM
xx * Talk to me about Shelly in the BB house contrasted with Shelly in the jury house if you see any differences.
Mikentosh
09/16/11 02:33 PM
xx * My responses are in bold...
Louise46
09/16/11 09:23 PM
xx * I tend to agree with Louise on this, and the way Jeff has backpedaled in subsequent interviews reinforces this view. He seems to get it now. NT
Ephandis
09/16/11 10:58 PM
xx * Jeff's interviews ONLY reinforce him trying to HELP Shelly with the Nutsos that went after her. NOT a JJ fan either NT
Emijo
09/18/11 10:45 PM
xx * J & J & S are friends! I <3 How they can let it go. Just game! J & J were mortified by the threats against S & her fam...genuinely cared. NT
Louise46
09/20/11 12:41 PM

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