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Louise, I completely understand what you are trying to say, but it is your defense of Shelly that I believe that people are taking issue with. This is
09/27/11 09:27 AM

strictly MY opinion. Shelly stated repeatedly on the show that she was a proud mom with integrity and values, and cared about how her job will feel she was being portrayed. As I pointed out in my comment below what Kalia stated immediately following Porsche's comment about falling down the stairs being "a form of birth control" and then Shelly, Dani, Kalia and Porsche all laughing about it WAS offensive. For Shelly to be a GROWN woman, and a mother with a daughter taking part in this conversation, rather than walking a way was wrong. You stated," No where in the conversation did anyone talk about abortion, miscarriage or coat hangers". Ok...no, but the implication was there, no matter how you try to sugar coat it. Again, Louise, what I am really struggling with is that Shelly HERSELF felt her actions/words on this exact subject were totally inappropriate...so what I cannot understand is your apprehension to acknowledge any wrongdoing. Shelly stated on Superpass and in other interviews that she apologized to both Rachel and her parents...Porsche did the same in her Joker's interview. I guess that is what I personally am having a hard time with in regards to your defending something when two of the people involved have already publicly acknowledged their involvement.

Ok...backing off the soap box...LOL...still admire your passion girl!

If it's to be, It's up to me.

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* Shelly Beginning to end... Part I
09/14/11 12:55 PM
xx * Setting a record straight here...
09/21/11 10:25 AM
xx * Actually, Kalia/Porsche said "Falling down the stairs could be a form of birth control" and all four of them laughed about it. The issue is not
09/24/11 07:59 AM
xx * People are totally not understanding my point of the post....
09/27/11 06:24 AM
xx * Louise, I completely understand what you are trying to say, but it is your defense of Shelly that I believe that people are taking issue with. This is
09/27/11 09:27 AM
xx * For Shelly, it all comes down to guilt by association, her decision to hang with the mean girls.
09/27/11 10:12 AM
xx * Sigh...Nevermind SMH NT
09/27/11 11:15 AM
xx * See, I really need the flashback date and time. People wanna say it happened but until I have proof, it was cam 5! 2 much made up stuff this year NT
09/25/11 05:32 PM
xx * 8/21 7:30-8:05pm camera 4 live feeds Shelly
09/25/11 10:55 PM
xx * See as I said in the post 'Setting a record straight here'
09/26/11 06:53 PM
xx * Further explanation live feed 8/21 response shelly by conversation-Louise
09/26/11 11:43 PM
xx * Nevermind NT
09/27/11 10:24 AM
xx * Louise, I don't think there is a person on here that would agree that what was done to Shelly and her family is right. I personally contacted FB &
09/27/11 04:26 PM
xx * Louise, I definitely do not want to belabor this point any longer than it has to. However, I just want to say a few more things and be done:
09/26/11 08:33 PM
xx * Re: Offensive conversation-shelly, Porsche, kahlia, etc. 8/21-7:37pm lvfeeds-SCDrMom,Louise
09/26/11 10:46 PM
xx * Welcome to Jokers, ashergold. I am so glad to see a "newbie" step
09/26/11 08:18 AM
xx * Awesome summation....and your final line was priceless...LOL NT
09/26/11 08:13 AM
xx * Not made up at all FB 8/21 7:37pm Cam 4, Kalia, Dani, Porsche & Shelly all talking and laughing and having a good old time joking about it. Again,
09/25/11 09:30 PM
xx * Great assessment Louise, I agree with everything you say about Shelly, and its one of the reasons I liked her as a player. But I do disagree with..
09/18/11 10:14 PM
xx * My response is in bold
09/22/11 07:57 AM
xx * Well, he "kept them safe" long enough, he had fulfilled his role, and then it was time for him to go. He was more of a threat than an asset then. NT
09/21/11 05:48 PM
xx * All is fair in love and war... LOL NT
09/22/11 07:58 AM
xx * Yep! You don't get points for "being true to your BFFs" if you still get voted out before F2. The name of the game is "don't get evicted". NT
09/23/11 10:44 PM
xx * Very very well said! Thanks for taking the time to share it! NT
09/20/11 02:36 PM
xx * One other thing I have to say, When Shelly said she heard Jordan and Rachel calling her a bitch, that was NOT true, Shelly was spying and listnening
09/18/11 09:00 PM
xx * She obviously didn't hear it correctly and truly felt it was about her, hence, the hurt feelings. Do you have a FB date and time? TIA. NT
09/19/11 07:41 AM
xx * Louise, I have it somewhere, will check & post, but look down...Shelly tweeted about your post on here! She loved it!!!!!! NT
09/19/11 11:15 AM
xx * AND Shelly is referring others to this post to defend herself. PPL are really mean-twitter haters now. NT
09/20/11 08:33 PM
xx * These haters are unbelieveable. Everyone else has let it go, why can't they? NT
09/21/11 06:10 AM
xx * I see a few problems with this theory, Jeff was the only competitor of the 4 that could win physical comps, that is why they should have protected him
09/18/11 08:48 PM
xx * Actually, I don't think Shelly was going to vote for Dani to stay
09/19/11 05:20 PM
xx * Thanks to whomever linked to this for Shelly to read on her Twitter, maybe it will bring Shelly to start posting on JU! Shelly, you have lots of fans
09/18/11 07:48 PM
xx * Yep, Grod-dora's Box is what killed Shelly's game, not anything Shelly did. A good BB player knows you have to play Production and America too. NT
09/19/11 01:21 PM
xx * Just wanted to let you know....Shelly herself replied....Tweet inside:
09/18/11 08:26 PM
xx * Thanks Louise for the best thread I've read all summer. I think you are spot on about Shelly. Despite her vote for Rachel, Shelly is still my fav NT
09/16/11 02:54 PM
xx * Geez, Louise. That was thorough.
09/16/11 02:42 PM
xx * My responses are in bold...
09/19/11 08:46 PM
xx * I’ll only respiond to the one reply. You restated your opinions well enough
09/20/11 06:31 AM
xx * Ugh no, Shelly wasn't the cause of her demise. AG and a mad dash to save Jordan after her gameplay failed took out Shelly. NT
09/18/11 07:41 PM
xx * What makes you so sure Jordan would have left instead of Rachel? NT
09/18/11 08:30 PM
xx * That POV was Rachel's to lose, and sure enough, she won it! And saved Coattails Jordan in the process. NT
09/19/11 01:22 PM
xx * oh! Can't wait to read this :) Thanks! I had a couple issues with Shelly, but I'm so glad someone showed up to show what BB is really about for me. NT
09/14/11 11:11 PM
xx * wow. 9 parts? U took in-depth seriously. I was a Shelly fan. The turning point for me was not the flip
09/14/11 05:04 PM
xx * archer I also remember that and was really surprised that she felt it was her place to suggest/imply that NT
09/14/11 06:01 PM
xx * OK So I am not able to find this in flashbacks, do you know when this happened? I do remember a talk
09/14/11 05:58 PM
xx * Was this the convo in flashbacks Aug 17 @ 10:32am? NT
09/14/11 05:36 PM
xx * It wasn't this one... NT
09/14/11 05:53 PM
xx * BTW... outstanding postS... NT
09/14/11 05:17 PM
xx * I will have to re-watch that talk and get back to you. NT
09/14/11 05:12 PM
xx * TY... It did take me quite a long time but I poured over Flashbacks and episodes. It's like watching the whole season twice! LOL Kinda fun! NT
09/14/11 04:41 PM
xx * Great analysis, Louise. It obviously took a lot of time and a lot of thought to put this together. I really enjoyed it. NT
09/14/11 04:11 PM
xx * Wow, that was long, but it was a GREAT read. I wish people would take off their Jeff-n-Jordan-colored glasses and look at the situation clearly. NT
09/14/11 03:40 PM
xx * I thought Shelly's elitist game of Hubris was gawdawful & Jeff & Jordan were the only ones snowed by it! NT
09/15/11 02:15 PM
xx * Hmmm, I didn't think that Shelly came off elitist at all, quite the contrary. Very informal, homespun and folksy. And hubris? Not a word I'd pick. NT
09/15/11 10:40 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part IX
09/14/11 01:20 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VIII
09/14/11 01:13 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VII
09/14/11 01:11 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part VI
09/14/11 01:09 PM
xx * Shelly Beginning to End Part V
09/14/11 01:07 PM
xx * Shelly, Beginnging to End Part IV
09/14/11 01:05 PM
xx * Shelly beginning to end Part III
09/14/11 01:04 PM
xx * Shelly beginning to end... Part II
09/14/11 01:01 PM
xx * Shelly is a con-artist who thought she had the game "in the bag" the minute she walked in the house & she was WRONG. She played an obvi con-artist
09/15/11 02:14 PM
xx * Con-Artist? Hubris? Elitist? LMAO Shelly? Those are words I might use for Brendon & Rachel. Maybe even Jeff and Jordan but NOT Shelly! ROTFLMAO NT
09/16/11 06:45 AM
xx * Again, Shelly wasn't elitist, or really overconfident, which is what I think you really mean to say when you say elitist. Shelly...
09/15/11 10:46 PM
xx * I agree...
09/18/11 08:33 AM
xx * Talk to me about Shelly in the BB house contrasted with Shelly in the jury house if you see any differences.
09/16/11 02:33 PM
xx * My responses are in bold...
09/16/11 09:23 PM
xx * I tend to agree with Louise on this, and the way Jeff has backpedaled in subsequent interviews reinforces this view. He seems to get it now. NT
09/16/11 10:58 PM
xx * Jeff's interviews ONLY reinforce him trying to HELP Shelly with the Nutsos that went after her. NOT a JJ fan either NT
09/18/11 10:45 PM
xx * J & J & S are friends! I <3 How they can let it go. Just game! J & J were mortified by the threats against S & her fam...genuinely cared. NT
09/20/11 12:41 PM

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