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Jul 19 2003 01:07, Sat ktan   Link
HGs were singing Happy Birthday causing FOTH NT

Jul 19 2003 01:07, Sat mkemp   Link
it's midnight there so, everyone is telling Jun HappyBirthday, giving her hugs
Jee told her Happy Birthday and shook her hand and she says "you're gonna mess up my nails"

Jul 19 2003 01:14, Sat mkemp   Link
around the feeds once before i go to bed
F1 - dana playing cards
F2 - Je, Mi , Dn, and Jus playing cards in LR.
F3 - Jack cleaning the pool
F4 - the back door of the house.

you can hear them talking and playing cards. now on F3 - is a close up of the water in the pool. Er is walking around, watching the card game a little while. Al and Dav playing ping pong. now, Er and Dav playing, Al sitting on the side watching.

Jul 19 2003 01:20, Sat ktan   Link
Jun out from DR; Jee tells Jun she can have HOH but if he needs anything he'll knock on the door. Jun has the key around neck. NT

Jul 19 2003 02:18, Sat Hammock_Fall   Link
Michelle: to Ju, Al, Na: I didn't give head when I was 15 (more)
...then, "Seriously, I don't even like to give head".

Jul 19 2003 02:27, Sat Hammock_Fall ParentRootLink
M says she's given head to 5 guys NT

Jul 19 2003 02:25, Sat max1204   Link
HGs talk about anal, oral sex
Jun has had anal, Jack says he's been in the "wrong house," and the HGs conversation gets increasingly vulgar (and hilarious).

Jul 19 2003 02:39, Sat max1204 ParentRootLink
The vulgarity continues (adult content)
David has inserted 3 fingers into you-know-where when Jun asks how many fingers he has inserted "slash" have you ever fis--d; Dave said if he could fit his whole f-st in a girl, he'd run. Jun lets guys shoot into her hair; none of the other girls say they do.
Dave's had phone sex "many times," and so has Jun.

Nathan's being all innocent and refusing to answer questions, but he's wearing boxers while Ali rubs his leg so you-know-what appears to be perking up.

Jul 19 2003 02:43, Sat Bert ParentRootLink
More details ...
Ali's first time at 14.

Dana said she was bored her first time at 16.

Dana and Michelle are telling Nathan that having had his tongue pierced was a very sexual thing. Nate says no, it was just a popular thing to do. No, they said it's totally a sexual thing.

Jun - how many times have you come across a pencil dick?

Jun said only a couple times. The rest were all pretty healthy.

Ali said some guy on the football team is called the totem pole.

Dan said that's too big, I'm a small girl.

Jee said that the water would be off from 4am to 6am.

Jun asked - ever had a three-some? No. None of them have or at least no one is fessing up.

David said he had sex in a bed where his brother slept right on the floor next to him.

Jun to Dana - Have you ever come across cum that was the consistency of water? Dana - I don't think so. Jun said yeah. Ali said that happens when guys are on steriods.

David asking if any of the girls got "any" in their eye, right in their eye? No, mostly the hair Jun says. Ali brings up a girl from high school who got an eye infection for getting it in the eye.

Jun - do you know what a grundle is? Base of the shaft of the testicle, no no, it's between the b*ll sack and the a**. Others have other names for it, they escaped me.

Who has phone sex? Jun ya, David yah. Michelle ya. Jun said it has to be real. Dav - what do you mean real? Jun - you really have to do it, not pretend.

David likes to do it in places where you'd gonna get caught. BB immediately after calls David to the DR. (LOL!)







Jul 19 2003 02:48, Sat Bert   Link
Dirty talk party broke up ... Nate, Ali & Mich on same bed. Ali massaging Nate's legs ...
Now they're talking about Dana (so figure).

Nate said that Mich was jealous of David and Michelle. Michelle said she just didn't want to have to see it.

Now back to hatred of Dana, which reminds me. Dana asked Jun several times if she could sleep with her in HOH and Jun said no several times.

Can't understand the whispering ... posting.


Jul 19 2003 02:53, Sat Bert   Link
Dana & Jun whispering in the bathroom ...
Thank goodness Jun didn't say anything except yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dana talked big some more, something about the more BS "they" pull the more cards she'll pull out of her pocket ... for I dunno what she said.

Nate, Mich and Jun whispering now about Dana. Can't understand. Now feed switch to HOH where Dana is. I'm sorry but I have to leave, even though they are bragging about Robert's oral techniques. (Excuse me, must go vomit).


Jul 19 2003 02:58, Sat Bert   Link
Going back and forth between all 4 feeds on HOH and FOTH because Jee's CD music can be heard. NT

Jul 19 2003 03:07, Sat Bert   Link
Adult content - Nathan only been with 2 women ...
Came back from FOTH and the discussion is about Nate only having been with 2 women, but that he has a lot of sex with those two women

Justin said he had more girls than Nate when he was 14 and that wasn't a lot.

Rob just said how Justin likes to eat the b*x.

Feeds goofing up. Came back and very loud laughter and screaming.

David said to Justin, I hear you munch a good b*x. Now Justin is all embarrassed. David said he's not into it.

Nate just came into HOH and said BB wants them to wrap it up.

All talking at once.

I think they're talking about the fact that Mich has a vibrator. They're all laughing at David saying he never could compete with that. David - sorry my d*ck doesn't go (then makes a vibrator sound).

Michelle is saying she never used it.

Dana believes Michelle. Dana claims she knows that Michelle is telling the truth. ??? People ask how she knows, Dana said because she has talked to her about it.

Posting

Jul 19 2003 03:10, Sat Bert   Link
Now talking about America's Choice, trying to figure out when it might start for them ...
Jun saying she'd like a personal thing like a video message from home.

Dana is saying that if that sort of thing comes up, it should be given to Robert because of his daughter.

Dana again bringing up the fact that she really wants to sleep in the HOH bed which Jee gave to Jun for the night. Jun wasn't having any of it.

Everybody breaking up ... for now. Jee turned out the light for Jun and closed the door.


Jul 19 2003 03:20, Sat Bert   Link
Jee, Nate & Rat at the counter in the kitchen where Nat is making PB&J , and misc chatting ...
David walked by on his hands. They talk about how crazy David is.

Nate asks Rob if he has muscle cramps in his calves from lack of calcium. Jee answered. Nate said he was talking to Robert. Robert walked away.

Justing walks up and talks about how people start crying on BB when people are leaving. Justin can't understand why people cry then.

Jee talking again about how difficult being HOH is.

Nate talking about how hard it is not to have meat.

Jee is saying to Nate that people are making fun of him, but they just don't know how difficult HOH is.

Jee went out for a cigarette. Rob was out there. Jee wonders if he'll remember how to drive when he leave the house. He said this after he found a quarter outside. He mentioned how weird it was to see a quarter.

Now Rob talking about how he and Jee will be friends for life. Rob saying Jee has a good heart, just like him, that he doesn't have a lot of real good friends, but for good friends, he'd do anything.

Rob said Jee can stay with him at his house. Him and his girl. Rob will get them a car. Rob said he'll call Jee all the time. Jee's number will be on his cell phone. He'll call him every day.

Feed switch, posting.

Jul 19 2003 03:31, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F4 bathroom
Er at sink, dv and ja sitting in chairs

came in in the middle, so not sure what started it....

Er metions that Ju is the big unknown

Ja thinks the Stooges strat doesn't make any sense. It's wrong going after Er. Rb never lets Je out of his sight, follows him around like a puppy dog.

Ja and Dv don't look happy.

Ja says we can plan all day long, but what we have to do, plan or not, is win the next competition

long pause

switches to shot of Er holding hands to face

Ja Ali broke down and was talking to ju.......

Ja and Er move to the Sand Box

Dv in mirror, applying something to his face

FOTH

Jul 19 2003 03:34, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F4 now in the Sand Box (back and forth to BR)
Ja thinks now that if the veto is used, they will put him up

Er isn't sure how veto works, and she and Ja wonder if there is any time after a veto to think about your choice. they think that he gets no time

Ja says Je gets so emotional, that he threatened to put me up

view is BR, audio Sand Box

Ja says if they don't get Da nominated, they haven't accomplished anything

Er agrees

Er feels she's lost her instincts in the game.

Dv comes in to Sand Box

feed switched to Dn, so post

Jul 19 2003 03:41, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F1/F2 are on Sand Box, F3 is Na/Al, F4 is Dn and Rb with Michelle
Ja counting votes. thinks it is now 5-3. Ja thinks if they don't get their way, Ju and Rb will go in to HOH comp p*ssed and not play well

Er is afraid of Ju's vote. Na told her he is nervous

(unintelligible whispers)

Er this is a hard one. i wish i had got it, but i suck at duck ball. i blow

Dv agrees

Er says she practiced, she practiced and everything

Er i don't know

Ja we have from now til sun noon to gauge ali and ju.

Er wishes he would just put up Dn cause it would fix everything

Ja says they are all worked up cause of robert. Je promised rb. what good is putting Er against Mi? what the h&ll?

Er says it hurts our alliance that's what it accomplishes. says he (?) does not want to loose Mi. Don't blame him

Ja says they can scheme all they want, but they need to win competitions

Er agrees and wonders if there is anything they can offer him

Ja says Je is so worked up, he's cut off conversation.

Dv says he talked to him, telling him why it's good for Je to put Dn up, but he wouldn't listen

Er complains they are screwing up our game!


Jul 19 2003 03:42, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F1 Sand box
Ja thinks it would be hell to go thru all this and not even have a say in the outcome. wants to be at least part of the 7

Dv says they need some reason to make them think our way

Er thinks Na wants Mi to stay.

Ja and Dv agree, but not over Er


Jul 19 2003 03:45, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F1
Dv if they were trying to bring Ju over to them, then Rb wouldn't be so paranoid after talking to me when Ju walked by. says Rb was worried that you can hear thru the door, and Ju was listening

Er is afraid that Ju is her own person. says it's hard to trust her, and she can't gauge her. you could talk to her all you want, she could decide last min to vote me out

Ja says he thinks she has been firm so far

Dv mumbles, can't understand him

Er says we're loosing our form

Ja says loosing scot was bad for them

Er agrees


Jul 19 2003 03:46, Sat frustratedposter   Link
confirmation: Ju is in HOH room. Je let her have it for her birthday NT

Jul 19 2003 03:50, Sat Phantom   Link
Jack, Erika & Dave in the bathroom.
Erika is nervous because Nat is nervous. Nat wants to tell Dave to just use the veto (presumably because they aren't sure of their votes). Jack says that he can't see Ali switching sides. Erika thinks that Ali is with them because she wants to go after Justin, but just doesn't know about Jun. They count the votes and realize that a tie is a real possibility. Then Jee will break the tie by getting rid of Erika. Jack repeats that, "We have to be more aggressive."

Jack and Erika go into the Sand Box where Jack says that he just can't tell about Jee. He might just put up Jack. There is discussion of timing and how long Jee will be given to make his new choice. They don't think it will be very long, and not long enough to call his group together for a meeting. They are thinking about springing it on him with no warning and they previously discussed telling him just before the show and giving him the chance to realize that he has to put up Dana. Jack has said that if they don't get Dana, it is not really worthwhile (except for saving Erika) "I think we should call his bluff," says Erika. "I will probably go on the block but I know you guys will save me," replies Jack. One advantage they see of springing it on him/them at the last minute is that they will still be in shock going into the next HOH comp and that can work for them as well.

Dave is there now and they talk about how stupid this particular set of Noms are. Jack thought that Justin was smarter than that. Dave says that they are just stupid and asks Jack to confirm. Isn't there anything more we can offer to change his mind? No, it reached a point where he was just tired of hearing it. Erika is sorry that they are going to have to give up one of their own in this scenario and that bothers her. Now discussing Jun and what reason she might have to go the other way. They don't know. More discussion of whether or not they can trust Jun, and they realize that Jun apparently has not told Dana about much of what they have planned. That might mean that she is with them, or just that she doesn't trust Dana to keep it to herself. Jack wants to know what Nat said when he first went into the HOH (while Jack was occupying Dana in the kitchen). Dave reports that is wasn't anything that Jack hasn't already heard. Talking about Jun being the likely source of something. Long periods of silence while they think. Erika wants to make sure that Nat knows that they will still be coming after her (not him).

Jul 19 2003 03:53, Sat frustratedposter   Link
Dv says he was in pushing the Dn issue to Je in HOH
Na came in and told him same thing

Rb and Ju came in. Same sh*t

Dv says we should go right to Ju and talk to her. Ja agrees

Er sighs Oh Man

Dv says Ju isn't stupid tho. she knows that until those people are gone....

Er jumps in and hopes Na realises that as long as she (er) is around they will be gunning for her. (She's worried Na will vote to keep Mi)

Ja thinks Na is still strong on the plan.

Er says Na told her he is worried.

the think Je will be so flustered if they use the POV, he may just put up Dn. but that Na doesn't want to loose Mi, so Er is worried

Dv likes the idea of surprising him at POV. but that he thinks he's already thinking it thru

Ja asks dv if he really was told that if POV is used, that Ja would be up.

Dv says he so sure that everyone in the house wanted Er to go so bad, and Je thinks he did what everything wanted. thinks Je is worried that if Dn goes up in place of Mi, that the house will keep Dn cause they want Er out so bad, and that will just piss off Dn

Ja thought when they first lost HOH they would be able to get Je to nom Dn. But it didn't work

Dv covers his face with a hat, and they get quiet for a while, so post

Jul 19 2003 03:54, Sat Phantom   Link
Part of Nat's concern is that he doesn't want to lose Michelle
so he prefers to have Dana go up with Jee's co-operation. Dave is liking the idea of blitzing Jee at the last minute. Talking about getting everyone to go to Jee to say that they want Dana over Erika. But they realize that Jee is not playing the game rationally and is fed up with hearing any of it. They aren't sure that will work. Long silence that may be prelude to sleep - I hope so, because I'm off.

Jul 19 2003 03:56, Sat frustratedposter   Link
around the feeds
F1 ja in mummy position
F2 dv with face covered
F3 ali and Na
F4 dn and mi

all quiet, sounds like it's over for the night


Jul 19 2003 04:14, Sat frustratedposter   Link
Er now talks again
says that they are targeting Dv anyhow, so he might as well use the veto. they aren't gonna put ja up. they can't put Dv up. she thinks na is the only one they can target

Dv and Ja agree Na is very afraid of being nominated

Ja tells Er that Jee said if POV is used, all deals are off. he feels that he is then free to nom Ja. he hasn't mentioned Na. either way, we won't go, Mi will go

Er feels nervous, cause she just don't know

ja agrees she is in a bad position, cause Al and Ju are waivering. they really don't know what they are going to do

Er says everyone is telling everyone else something different. they don't know where the truth lies

Er says this is really hard. this is a hard one. i don't know what the right thing is. she remembers Marc not using on himself last year

Ja yeah, no one will ever forget that

Er says she saw Marc at some casting thing, and he was there, and she went up to him, feeling like she knew him, and went up and asked him why he didn't use the golden veto. and he was like "please, no more about the veto!" he's really tired of it. she says she can understand not using it on other, but on yourself? you're just aksing for a problem

Dv if we blitz and i could say something like it's just me so the focus goes on me, you know what i'm saying, and they might not want to put up Ja or Na, because they have a chance to recruit them in the future

Er right

Ja i like the idea of the blitz cause of the shock value. i also think when we do that we focus on Dn and we loose sight of what we are really after, we are after Js, and it will screw up their minds, and they will go into the HOH comp w/out focus

Dv we have to get Ju. we have to

Er how can we guarantee? we can't

Dv i don't see a way to do it

Ja if they (Ju and Al) aren't solid, no scheme will work.

Er doesn't think they are going to the other side.

Dv talking about prior shows, and thinks the smartest ones seem to think too much. he implies they are overthinking this.

Ja says luckily you don't need to decide right now

Dv right, but if Er isn't up, Ja or Na could be up. but they will need to get others on their side.

Ja says they keep saying all in house want Er off. Dv says they are convinced. we have them fooled

Dv says that we need to reiterate to Ju and Al that they are so sure all want Er out, that the shock of the vote will set their heads spinning

Er asks if Al was approached with a deal. Dv says not a deal. Ja says that she didn't give them any answer one way or the other. The same with Ju.

Dv says he talked to Ju. and she didn't say either way. Er wants to know why they are convinced that Er will go then? Dv says she just left them thinking she would vote Er, but didn't say for sure

Dv says Ju and Ali know that can't trust the exes. they know it would not only break us up, but that we will be after them also. if they stay with us, it will be better for us to be able to get Ju and Rb out.

Er says she is convinced. (doesn't sound like it tho)

they agree to talk again to Ju and Ali


Jul 19 2003 04:28, Sat frustratedposter   Link
Er says to Dv is s*cks to have the power....
Dv tells her no, he's OK. and that it at least gives them some leverage. Ja agrees

Ja says from the time he went in the room tonite Je said he doesn't want to talk about it any more. I told them it is a mistake. now is the time to get Dn. they think they can simply get her later. they are fixed on getting Er now, and it makes no sense.

Dv says they are so fixed on Er they are not seeing the big picture. they think that they have the plan, cause they think they have it all figured out. They think they have the support of the whole house

ja says that Je has a fear, started by Rb, that Er is after him. but Je has no reason other than what Rb tells them to be afraid of her

Dv says Rb keeps saying it doesn't matter what anyone says, that Er would go after you and your family. Er says are you serious. Dv says, yeah, Rb tells them not to trust her, she'd kill you and your family

Er tells them he would swear on a stack of bibles that she was nothing but a good GF to him. he's all bent out of shape because when he came to work for her company, she told them what kind of guy they hired. thinks when he got fired, was not cause of her. says she told them cause the last job they had together, was when he cheated on her with someone from work.

Ja asks about what the first job was. Er says she was tending bar, they wanted to do a salsa night, and asked her if they knew anyone that could help. says she told them Rb was cuban, and that he worked with them, and he did real well, making like 900 a night for salsa night.

Er says after that job, he was unemployed for a while. says he just got another job, lasted 4-5 weeks, and got fired. seems this is the rest. mgr job that is on his bio. er says he's been fired from that already

Er says it's honest to god truth on my family that that's what went on. says she told the producers that she's not vindictive, but that she did tell her bosses about him. says she asked them if that was vindictive

Dv jokes that he will still watch out for her, but he doesn't want her to kill his family

Er says that makes me seem real bad, doens't it. him saying that? it's crazy!

Ja up and out to WC

camera moves, Dv gripes about it

Er says i wouldn't kill his family. Dv says i'm worried about my family, not his!

Er tells camera that she's mad for putting rb in here. she shoudl have known he was bad news when her dog bit him

Dv really feels that his gut is telling him this is going to work, but since you're up there my head is giving me second thoughts. I really think JU and Al will go with us, cuase they haven't show us any reason yet why not. But it's the fact that it's Er up that makes him think twice

Ja comes back in. Dv makes sure it's him before he goes on.

Dv says he would feel like sh*t if at the last second, he had trusted Al and Ju and Er gets voted out, he would feel so guilty for not using POV

Er wishes it didn't really come down to just one vote

Dv says we all know Dn can't be trusted. No one is telling her anything now. maybe if she gets the truth right before she goes in that room, they can sway her vote

Ja says again all convinced they will all vote against Er.

Dv says Dn is afraid that all are after her, she's aloose cannon, cause no one is giving her any real answers. he feels that he may be able to convince her at the last second that she is safe next week, cause they will go after Rb or Ju. if they get it, they will put up Dn. so maybe at the last second he can change her vote.

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Jul 20 2003 09:34, Sun Anonymous ParentRootLink
Er says to Dv is s*cks to have the power....
here's something to think about - i posted the link to your post at 23h15 eastern time - your post had 594 views at that point ; currently it's at 803 views.
hmmmm.
*wonders how many of those extra views can be attributed to the newsgroup post i made*

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Dv tells her no, he's OK. and that it at least gives them some leverage. Ja agrees

Ja says from the time he went in the room tonite Je said he doesn't want to talk about it any more. I told them it is a mistake. now is the time to get Dn. they think they can simply get her later. they are fixed on getting Er now, and it makes no sense.

Dv says they are so fixed on Er they are not seeing the big picture. they think that they have the plan, cause they think they have it all figured out. They think they have the support of the whole house

ja says that Je has a fear, started by Rb, that Er is after him. but Je has no reason other than what Rb tells them to be afraid of her

Dv says Rb keeps saying it doesn't matter what anyone says, that Er would go after you and your family. Er says are you serious. Dv says, yeah, Rb tells them not to trust her, she'd kill you and your family

Er tells them he would swear on a stack of bibles that she was nothing but a good GF to him. he's all bent out of shape because when he came to work for her company, she told them what kind of guy they hired. thinks when he got fired, was not cause of her. says she told them cause the last job they had together, was when he cheated on her with someone from work.

Ja asks about what the first job was. Er says she was tending bar, they wanted to do a salsa night, and asked her if they knew anyone that could help. says she told them Rb was cuban, and that he worked with them, and he did real well, making like 900 a night for salsa night.

Er says after that job, he was unemployed for a while. says he just got another job, lasted 4-5 weeks, and got fired. seems this is the rest. mgr job that is on his bio. er says he's been fired from that already

Er says it's honest to god truth on my family that that's what went on. says she told the producers that she's not vindictive, but that she did tell her bosses about him. says she asked them if that was vindictive

Dv jokes that he will still watch out for her, but he doesn't want her to kill his family

Er says that makes me seem real bad, doens't it. him saying that? it's crazy!

Ja up and out to WC

camera moves, Dv gripes about it

Er says i wouldn't kill his family. Dv says i'm worried about my family, not his!

Er tells camera that she's mad for putting rb in here. she shoudl have known he was bad news when her dog bit him

Dv really feels that his gut is telling him this is going to work, but since you're up there my head is giving me second thoughts. I really think JU and Al will go with us, cuase they haven't show us any reason yet why not. But it's the fact that it's Er up that makes him think twice

Ja comes back in. Dv makes sure it's him before he goes on.

Dv says he would feel like sh*t if at the last second, he had trusted Al and Ju and Er gets voted out, he would feel so guilty for not using POV

Er wishes it didn't really come down to just one vote

Dv says we all know Dn can't be trusted. No one is telling her anything now. maybe if she gets the truth right before she goes in that room, they can sway her vote

Ja says again all convinced they will all vote against Er.

Dv says Dn is afraid that all are after her, she's aloose cannon, cause no one is giving her any real answers. he feels that he may be able to convince her at the last second that she is safe next week, cause they will go after Rb or Ju. if they get it, they will put up Dn. so maybe at the last second he can change her vote.

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Jul 19 2003 04:28, Sat frustratedposter   Link
Er, Ja and Dv all say they can't trust Dn. Er blames it all on scotty. it's all his fault! NT

Jul 19 2003 04:30, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F1
Er i'm pissed off at scotty now, we wouldn't be in this position if he were her

Ja or if we had won HOH

DV or if we had listened to you about Amanda


Jul 19 2003 04:31, Sat frustratedposter   Link
F1
Dv we're playing this game the most of anyone. that's why we're overconfident in everyone elses ability.

Ja and it hasn't worked out so well. we wouldn't be in these problems if we would just win comps.


Jul 19 2003 04:33, Sat frustratedposter   Link
watching quad, but F3 has Dn making PBJ NT

Jul 19 2003 04:37, Sat FeedAddict   Link
Dana studies the memory wall (doing voting math?), eating PBJ. NT

Jul 19 2003 04:46, Sat frustratedposter   Link
all quiet, cept for snores and snorts and other silly sounds NT

Jul 19 2003 05:21, Sat CougarSpy   Link
3:00 – 3:30 am BBTime - Dave/Erica/Jack talking in room (medium) ->
3:00 – 3:30 am BBTime

Dave, Erika and Jack all snuggled in their beds. A conversation starts about POV. Erica says this is really a hard one.

They talk a bit about the whether to use or not to use. Erica says she met Marcellus at a casting?? party and asked him, “Why didn’t you use the golden veto?’ Marcellus is tired of hearing about the golden veto.

Dave, “if we blitz them, the focus goes on me. They might not want to put up Jack or Nate because they think they can recruit them in the future.” They are talking about how they have semi agreements with Jee & Ratbert.

If we shock them on final vote on Wednesday night, they will go into competition with out focus.

Jack…If they are not solid, the scheme will not work??

I don’t’ think they are going to the other side.

Dave talks about getting Justin, and others to team up to vote out Michele.

Right now they have not approached Jun.

We have to reiterate to Jun and Alli, that they should vote to keep Erica and shake up the other side. The other side didn’t give Alli a deal, Jack told Alli and Jun not to give them any deals. Jun didn’t say she would or wouldn’t, but let them think they will vote Erica out.

Dave says he needs to talk with Jun and Alli. If they keep Michelle, but it would break everything up and disintegrate there chances earlier. They will want to get their exes out sooner. Dave says he needs to talk to them more. All would give the group more leverage.

If Dave doesn’t use veto they will be convinced he is on their side

Jack, Jee said he would not listen to any more arguments about getting out Dana now. They are fixated on getting Erica out.

Dave…they are not seeing the bigger picture. They are stupid. They think they have everyone. Jee has expressed fear cause by Robert that Erica would put up Jee. Erica comments they don’t even know her.

Robert said you can’t believe a word Erica says…she will kill you and your family. They laugh about how Robert played pingball

Erica says she would swear on a stack of bibles, someone’s grave. She even got him jobs. Company fired him. Called bosses because the two last places they had worked together he was cheating on her with another employee and having sex at the place of work, just like his last job.

Bar…salsa party…. Rob promoting…Cuban dancing….had a good run for a will something about 900 a month. (Hard to follow but Erica mentioned Rob was Cuban and could dance or some crap and got him a job promoting the party)

One of the guys says that Ratbert tells everyone he is managing a restaurant. Erica said he recently got fired after 4 or 5 weeks. Also that he is trying to organize a party in Vegas and winners have to fit the bill.

Producers asked her if she was vindictive. Erica says if calling her bosses about Ratbert having sex on the job. Dave jokes so are you going to kill my family. Jack says something

Erica jokes back, “I’m not talking to you any more.” She says something about someone (Rat) kissing up to me giving me turtles. I should have known he (Ratbert) was bad news when my dog bit him.

Dave I have a gut feeling that it could work, but it could get messed up. He thinks Jun and Alli will come with them, haven’t’ indicated otherwise. Actually ***** if that one vote didn’t’ happen and he didn’t’ exercise power of veto. All say it sucks.

Hate to lose you. No one can trust Dana. No one tells her anything. Maybe if they give her the low down before the vote, maybe we can sway her to vote to keep you.

Dana is scared because she is a loose cannon. Convince her if the group gets HOH next week, Ratbert and Justin go up. That she will go up next week if Ratbert or Justin get it. Throw them off by shocking them by evicting Michelle.

Erica jokes, “I’ll kill Scott for this, it’s all his fault.” Dave and Jack agree, because of that one key vote they are missing. It could end up 4-4 and Jee would evict Erica.

(missed a few minutes )

Dave comments they are playing the game better than everyone but maybe overconfident in everyone else. Something about Erica winning today, Alli close too. Dave said something about getting a score of 6, 7?

3:30 am – Jun goes to WC in tank top and shorts, so the three quiet down.



Jul 19 2003 08:02, Sat TomGuy   Link
Airplanes on F4. No banners. Too early for hamsters anyway. NT

Jul 19 2003 10:01, Sat TIGRESS_1108   Link
jack up went to wc and back to bed NT

Jul 19 2003 11:11, Sat Chica417   Link
Jack and Robert are up - trying to clean pool, but pump is off...
Now the pump is turned back on, and they are able to proceed with cleaning pool activities. Everyone else is still sleeping. (No game talk yet.)

Jul 19 2003 11:23, Sat Chica417   Link
All back in bed now...NT
)

Jul 19 2003 12:00, Sat Michelle_OR   Link
All four feeds on sleeping hgs NT

Jul 19 2003 12:07, Sat valentine   Link
Jun is Up, and
walked slowly from the BR (the old Chill Town Room) through the kitchen, down the hall, and into the wash closet.

She's wearing what looks like a sports bra and boxer shorts. Not a good look for someone with that shape and posture. She did a good job washing her hands, though.

Even though Jack is still laying in coffin pose, I can tell by his sounds that he is awake.

Jun is now sorting her toiletries in a small cosmetics bag on a table in the LR. She is putting away some pots and pans.

Don't any of these kids drink coffee?

(Ed Note: I noticed last night that McDonald's is a sponsor of the TV show. I'll bet they will win some Quarter Pounders at some point.)

Jul 19 2003 12:16, Sat valentine   Link
Very Loud BB Wake Up Call
And of course, Jack swings his legs out of bed (since he was already awake).

Jun has her hair up in a blue banana clip and is scrubbing her face vigorously at the BR sink.

The cameras are panning around, and still we see only Jun and Jack stirring. Jack is getting dressed at the end of his bed, in the dark.

I guess the other HG hit the snooze button.


Jul 19 2003 12:16, Sat Michelle_OR   Link
Feed 2, Jack is awake but not out of bed.. just moving around..
Jack is laying in bed with all covers off as usual though his arms are crossed as if he is cold or uptight. Jun is meticulously brushing her teeth in feed 3.

Jul 19 2003 12:17, Sat Michelle_OR   Link
Jack is out of bed and preening. NT

Jul 19 2003 12:27, Sat valentine   Link
2nd Loud Wake Up Call
Still, no one looks like they're moving.


Jul 19 2003 12:28, Sat Michelle_OR   Link
Dana is putting in her contacts, Jee is awake.. Allison is awake.. I think. NT

Jul 19 2003 12:42, Sat FuggyBootnling   Link
Erica and Dave waking up...
A few comments as they get out of bed. They talk about the option of voting out Michelle in little short snippets "She doesn't belong here" Dave says, referring to the mental mind game going on around them. They think they might be able to get Ali and Jun to agree, if they can't get Erica off the block.

They talk about how they were asked in the DR what they call their little group. Dave said it should be "Dirty Desert Room Dark" or DDRD for short.

E: They're just waking us up so that we will talk about this ***** some more.

Erica gets out of bed and paces a bit "It's going to be so hard to go out there and be nice to people."

Then she complains "I can see Jee now..." She adopts Jee's clueless tone "Good morning Erica, Good Morning Erica!" she says mockingly.

Right after this, she opens the door to the hall, and standing RIGHT THERE is Jee, who as if on cue says..."Good morning Erica"

I nearly fell off my chair laughing!!

Jul 19 2003 13:00, Sat SusieCat   Link
Dana: "28 is so much closer to 30 than 27." DUH! NT
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Jul 19 2003 13:41, Sat bruhe   Link
feed four showing robert in DR but the audio is on back yard. NT

Jul 19 2003 13:52, Sat bruhe   Link
scanning feeds: 1-2 sunbathing,, 3 kitchen, 4 blue room. no real conversation except idle chitchat. NT

Jul 19 2003 15:12, Sat Bert   Link
Jun cooking, Rob comes in to make PB&J, then leaves ...
Jun - Why the f*ck to these PB&J people think they don't have to wash their knives? I'm gonna put them (all the dirty knives) in a bowl and make them use them over again. She grabs a handful of dirty knives out of the sink and puts them in a bowl.

Jul 19 2003 15:21, Sat Bert   Link
Jun said to Ali that Nate is sleeping, Dave still sleeping. Not sure where everybody is exactly ....
Some playing cards in the living room. Some outside sunning themselves. Ali just went to visit Nate in bed.

Jul 19 2003 15:32, Sat Bert   Link
Dave awake talking to Erica, Jack in DR, Jun cooking. Dana was following Jun around the kichen ...
Feeds changed and I didn't catch the whole exchange, but Jun said, "Just one day, just one day break from it." I think she was referring to what was discussed last night about taking a break from stategizing. Dana said, "I know I know." then complained about everybody not getting to eat on Jun's birthday (or something to that effect).

Now all feeds on Nate and Ali in bed strategizing. Nothing new being said.

Jul 19 2003 15:33, Sat Bert   Link
Dave strategizing to Jun and Ali at the kitchen island. I can't hear the exchange because Dave is a good whisperer. Jun laughs. NT

Jul 19 2003 15:34, Sat Bert   Link
FOTH NT

Jul 19 2003 15:34, Sat AmyFromCanaduh   Link
dave telling allie and jun that justin&jee&rob are gunna be like OMG when they find out michelles gone
at the evection night

Jul 19 2003 15:36, Sat Steve3   Link
Dave was whispering to Ali and Jun that on Wednesday, Jee will be freaked out when
the vote will be 5 to 3...Michelle leaving. Looks like it will all backfire in Jee's face. So, it seems that Dave, Nate, Jun, Ali and Jack will vote Michelle out. I guess Jee's word means nothing.

Jul 19 2003 15:40, Sat AmyFromCanaduh   Link
dana talking to rob outside saying that..
what she tells them (jee, justin, rob) can't get out because that's the only power they have (everyone else not knowing that dana tells them stuff)

Jul 19 2003 15:43, Sat AmyFromCanaduh   Link
dana and rob talking outside
dana: i thought nathan was such a better guy then he is. he's a little bitch.

...

dana: he's running around with his tail between his legs. i'd be embarrased if i was him.

...

rob: he's just being a pussy.

...

jun is called to the DR.

dana says that they gotta go inside because "something is gunna happen" she thinks.


talking about how nate's not as smart/strong as they thought he is/was.

Jul 19 2003 15:45, Sat AmyFromCanaduh   Link
juns bday..
they called jun to the DR and everyones cleaning up the LR and talking about getting a cake and saying they should hide behind the sofa

Jul 19 2003 15:46, Sat AmyFromCanaduh ParentRootLink
they have a cake..
dana has the cake and some HGs are cleaning up the LR a bit
jee says to dana to tell jun she has to read this out (something thats on the cake plate)

Jul 19 2003 15:47, Sat AmyFromCanaduh ParentRootLink
there's on 1/2 cake because the 1/2 that have to eat pb&j
sucky

Jul 19 2003 15:48, Sat AmyFromCanaduh ParentRootLink
aparrently "happy bday" is copywritted so they can't sing it or something?
eek

Jul 19 2003 15:48, Sat AmyFromCanaduh ParentRootLink
HG's behind couch waiting for jun
.

Jul 19 2003 15:49, Sat AmyFromCanaduh ParentRootLink
justin and jack in HOH waiting and BB tells nate to put on his mic
the HGs say they'll wait for nate to put his mic on before they let jun out of the DR

Jul 19 2003 15:51, Sat ktan   Link
Jun walks out and "SURPRISE!" NT

Jul 19 2003 15:52, Sat AmyFromCanaduh   Link
justin and jack whispering in HOH...
justin says jack should align with dave
he also says then that would be the only alliance (or something? - pretending him, jee and rob don't have an alliance)
and that erica isn't really playing the game

Jul 19 2003 16:30, Sat missellie   Link
Jun cooking again and Justin teaching Dave how to juggle while jack and Erika watch NT

Jul 19 2003 16:33, Sat missellie   Link
Dana came in and Juggled so now she and Dave are taking turnes they are using oranges NT

Jul 19 2003 16:37, Sat missellie   Link
Jee and Michelle were in the living room talking about
how she want's to win HOH next week.(she will still have to be in the house)Jee was giving her advice on how to handle being HOH go with her feelings.She can listen to others but do what her feelings tell her to do.

Jul 19 2003 16:44, Sat missellie   Link
Justin and Dana laying on Bedroom floor talking about snowboarding and the
cameras and who is behind them.Nat and Michelle in bedin a dark room taling about nothing as usual but cuddling.Cam switch to David and Erica in other bedroom they are talking about Dana and if they should give her a try to bring her to their side.This way they are sure she Erika will stay in.It seem's Jun suggested it might be a thought.Now Erika thinks she should talk to Jun again and see how she might be voting and if Dana is worth trying to get or if she is a lost cause.

Jul 19 2003 16:57, Sat missellie   Link
Erika and David plotting
they are trying to hatch a plan on how to get Dana to vote out Michelle.Erika thinks David should go to Dana at the last minute and tell her they baited Jee Justin and Rob by saying he asked if he used POV would they put up Her Dana and they said no we are going after Dana next week.They are hoping by waiting till last min Dana will not have time to talk to the three and have them lie to her.Jack just came in for a few sec's and told them he had a lot to talk to them about.Justin came to Jack earlyer and tryed to talk to him about an all guy's alliance or one with out Nat.

Jul 19 2003 16:58, Sat Watch It   Link
Erika asking Dave if Dana is a lost cause
Erika and Dave talking in desert room.

Erika saying that "I'm like Jun", she is asking if they can pull Dana to her side. They need her, but can't trust her though.

Dave says he doesn't know, he's wondering if they can pull her over at the last minute for the vote, and wonder if she will shut up for the one day between the voting and the eviction.

Erika says she'll talk to Jun, to see if Dana is a lost cause.

Dave tells her, "While you're doing that, see how she feels about this situation. They all have to say they're voting Erika out."

Dave saying the best move for her.. (trails off), now saying that any one of them is going to vote for Nate.

Erika says she guesses she is just overthinking it. She says she can't think, "my head's like in circles."

Dave asks if they should tell Jun that they are going to try to recruit Dana, or should they just do it at the last minute, and tell her Jun knows what's going down.

Erika says she doesn't know, that Dana might be lost and Dave was right last night. (camera moves and Erika says that it's like a dog, isn't it? Dave agrees)

Erika asking if they promised they wouldn't be putting him up, if...

Dave says, "Yeah, I wouldn't be going up this week if I didn't use veto, and I wouldn't put those guys up next week."

(the fact that he HAS veto and COULDN'T go up seems to have escaped everyone for that part of the deal STILL)

Erika saying it's going to be on next week whether she's here or not. They laugh. She's asking if it could both get us in the same shot (? no idea what she's talking about) and Dave says he doesn't see how.

Dave saying that because she's feeling nervous about it it makes people nervous, and if it does go sour, he doesn't "want to be the cause of it cuz ultimately it would be me." Erika agrees. They both talk bring up Scott, Erika saying it's "totally his fault, we'd be fine."

Dave says he is wondering what "the Blitz" would do, who they would put up (using veto at the ceremony and telling Jee at the last minute)

Erika says it wouldn't matter who they put up, and that it would probably be the best thing to take her down, saying if they put Jack up, Nathan *for sure* would keep Jack, and thinking Alison and Jun would vote the way Nate says. If they put anyone else up Michelle won't go. She says what she's worried about is Dave going up, that they'll come after Dave eventually.

Dave saying that they "say they are going after Dana next week" and isn't sure he believes that.

Erika saying, "maybe if we tell Dana they are going after her next week."

Dave saying she'll find out the next day anyway, that's one day. Surprise isn't completely there if it gets out, but the deed is done.

Erika, "we can tell her that, this is a really great plan, oh, we can tell her that you tried to bait her with them, just to see what their strategy was, and they said no, we're going to get Dana next week... it would cover you.. we can say that we tried to find out where they were.. instead they were like, no,no,no she's next"

Dave saying he has to have a long talk, but not now, it has to be right before the, uh... I can wake her up that night, when everyone's sleeping, so there won't be anyone.. I can just tell her.. bullsh*t...

Dave saying he'd tell her she made a mistake, making the original 8 think that's she's a traitor, but they know what's going on, and that when he tried to bait him, he found out they were going to vote her next week, and he thinks they can get her then. He says voting is tomorrow and they all need to do this. Then they'll get head of household... says he'll do that, get up that night and wake Dana up, tells Erika to talk with Jun and see how she feels, feel her out and "get your own opinion" of how she is. Says he doesn't think either of them want to get closer to their ex's, that Ali's a basket case.

Erika somewhat agreeing, saying she's a good actress but very dramatic, that both Alison and Michelle come to her - says she doesn't know how good an actress Michelle is -

Dave says Michelle sucks

Erika starts to say something Michelle said and Jack comes in

Jack asks if Justin talked to Dave, and Dave says no. Jack says he needs to talk to them, but can't stay now. They plan to talk tonight. (Like secret spy stuff:)

Dave goes back to talking about Michelle, she's really naive, and she was telling him that she trusts Dave and Ali, it surprised him she didn't say Nate. She says Ali and her are the same.

Erika says that scares her too.

They both talk about the assumption they'll go after Justin.

Dave says he'll talk to Ali about Michelle, tell her Michelle won't take anything to heart, she really isn't playing the game and is expendable (some stuff in there I couldn't catch) Dave leaves.

Jul 19 2003 17:04, Sat valentine   Link
Chef June
has outdone herself yet again. While Jack held the oven door open for her, she just slipped a delicious-looking tray of ziti in to bake for about 10 to 15 minutes.

I think she put some sauteed chicken in the sauce, and she put some cheese on top to melt in the oven.

Justin is excited because he loves pasta.

Erica: What army are we feeding with that?

Jun: I know, this is a lot more food than I thought it would be.

Justin: This could be lunch and dinner for me.

Meanwhile, Justin is chopping up something, maybe a salad. Very slow and deliberate.

Jun hasn't had any of her birthday cake yet. She wants to have it later, with ice cream.



Jul 19 2003 17:11, Sat valentine ParentRootLink
More Cooking
Now Jun is preparing garlic toast--it looks like she is using hamburger buns. Justin put some garlic in the garlic press for her to use. It looks like she sauteed it with some melted butter. She's scraping the pan with a wooden spoon over the pan of bread.

All of the Eaters are gathered around the kitchen counter, leaning and staring silently as Jun whips it up.

Dana walked in a minute ago and said to Jun: "I heard you weren't happy about the peanut butter knives". (Always so combative.) So Dana is standing at the kitchen sink washing the knives, as well as other dishes, and glancing up at the mirror every few seconds.

Knowing her, she is probably worried about the Eaters' general silence, thinking they are clamming up in front of her.

Jun just put the bread in the oven, and we all got a glimpse of the ziti. It looked outstanding. I can almost smell it.....


Jul 19 2003 17:13, Sat valentine   Link
Justin Just Asked Dana
if she wants to go take a nap. She's still washing the dishes and says, "ooooo, your hands are all sticky and garlicky".

He ran his hands under the running sink water and then toweled them off.

Dana: Use some soap or some sh*t.

Jul 19 2003 17:16, Sat Watch It   Link
Nate told Michelle she was his dream girl and he wanted to marry her before she said all the stuff..
that she said last night.

She told him he was a hypocrite, that what he's done is so much worse than what she's done.

Robert comes in and they repeat it all for him. Robert asking about it, and Nate telling her to tell Robert what she said last night.

Nate saying Michelle was kissing on girl's chests, and Michelle says "Oh my god, it was truth or dare"

Nate says "what am I supposed to tell my kids, their mom was kissing on other girls' chests"

They discuss where Michelle was kissing and what the dare was. Michelle saying Nate is just trying to make her look bad. Nate says he's just speaking the truth. Michelle says "No, he's not."

Asking what's up with Robert, he says not a lot. They are all in the bedroom lounging around, avoiding the food. Robert says they called him in the DR, asking if they called him, they were asking how they felt about losing the food challenge and not having food.

Dana comes in, saying "If I have to kill somebody, we're eating this week."

Dana also got asked in DR, Nate wondering why they haven't asked him yet.
Dana leaves to go take a shower. They're complaining about the smell of the food in the kitchen.

More talk about their determination to win next week.

Jul 19 2003 17:23, Sat valentine   Link
Now the Eaters are Dishing it Out
Justin: This is incredible. Wow.

Dave, a Non-Eater, passing through the room: That looks horrible.

They have a great looking salad, with three different bottles of Wish Bone dressing. Allie feels bad because they had salad dressing before that got thrown away.

Jun stands up suddenly: Oh Sh#t!!! I forgot about the garlic bread!!!

She ran over to the stove and opened it. Smoke came pouring out, and the bread was burnt black.

Jun is pissed, and now the house is full of smoke. She took the pan and put it outside on top of the grill.

I find this ironic, because each one of the Eaters was standing around watching her make it, and put it in the oven.

Justin: I think this is my favorite meal to date. I love it.

Jun made so much ziti, she filled up a 13x9 pyrex dish, and also a bread pan. Jack served himself from the bread pan, and the cheese stretched all the way to his plate.

Jul 19 2003 17:24, Sat Watch It   Link
Nate, Michelle, Robert, Dana
More food talk, they go over the food competition they lost, how it could have been different. Nate wondering how long people can go without food. 42 days?

Robert and Dana don't know. Nate is silent for a while, whines about food, silent for a while... mentioning what they can eat on a carbo diet... silent for a while... Michelle says "they asked if we were going to make a PB&J cake." Nate says "tell them to shut up... I smell the burnt garlic.. you didn't laugh on that, did you?"

The back bedroom apparently didn't at first have much smell from the food cooking, but they are both talking about how they can smell it now (that's gotta be torture).

Michelle saying Robert is "bored out of his mind." He walked off at some point, didn't see, F4 is focused just on the bed with the two of them in it. They seem to be trying to fall asleep to nap through mealtime, so going to post this..

Jul 19 2003 17:29, Sat valentine   Link
Allison told her parents
that they need to call constantly and vote for her for any America's Choice competition.

Jack thinks it will be another week or two before they have one, to give America a chance to pick who they like (and don't like).

Erica has on her stupid pink hat again and is slowing down on her eating. Everyone is getting really full, but keeps eating. Jack just took seconds of the ziti.

Jun put chicken and beef in the sauce.

They are all upset about the broken toilet seat and want BB to fix it.

Jul 19 2003 17:33, Sat Watch It   Link
Michelle saying she didn't know how to be a good gf to Dave,
that she was scared of him. Nate laughs. Michelle says, "I was."

Michelle, "It's like we wake up in the morning, to go back to sleep, you know?" Nate, "mm hmm"

They're laughing about Nate's gf not taking him back, he didn't tell her about the show, told her he might be on TV, doesn't want her to watch. The gf asked if he was going on some kind of dating show, and Michelle says she heard that too. Nate saying they met that week, on a Monday and he was leaving on Sunday, they saw each other every day, but still...

Nate says her name was Kenna (something like that), brunette with brown eyes. Michelle says, "that's not like you" Nate says, "gosh, you guys take everything out of context. I prefer blondes, it's not like I wouldn't date someone else.. I prefer blondes, that's it." Michelle laughs.

Nate asks how does Michelle have all this energy? She doesn't know, she has all this energy and couldn't fall asleep right now. Nate says maybe she should go in the other room. Michelle "oh thanks" Nate says he didn't mean it like that, that she was just talking about all the energy she has. Michelle says maybe she can try to nap, to pass the time faster.

(Don't know about them, but their conversation nearly has me asleep.. switching feeds)


Jul 19 2003 17:43, Sat Homard   Link
Erica just pulled a really long string out of a turtles butt. Dave comes over for a look. NT

Jul 19 2003 17:44, Sat Quench   Link
F1 Robert and David out in BY
Robert: I need to have sex very soon dude

David : Dodododoodododooo

David: You know what I am not attracted to Michelle any more. I am sick of it. I think she is sweet but her personality brings it down. I can't see myself dating her .


Robert: I can't see anyone in the house that has a personality I want to date.

Erika comes out. Coming to get the turtles.

Rob: Oh I think you soaked the turtles dude.
David: I probably did

Erika picks up the turtles to bring inside. Ewwww what is that. It looks like he ate a piece of yarn. It was hanging from one of the turtles butt.

David comes out of the pool and discussing the turtles. The more aggressive one is Cuff.and the other is Link. She heads inside.

Jul 19 2003 17:47, Sat Quench   Link
Robert and David continue to talk
Robert: I am not attract to any one of those c*nts in here. They make me want to throw up

David: What was that.

Robert: Everyone of them wants to make me throw up. I wouldn't date anyone of them on the outside.

Erika and Jack come back outside. Discussing what the turtles could have eaten. Searching the side of the backyard to see where they could have gotten a piece of rope (string).

Jul 19 2003 17:51, Sat Watch It   Link
Dave in pool, Robert in hammock, talking about how they don't wash their shorts because
they go in the pool every day, and chlorine is better than detergent.

Robert asking what was said in the room last night, what did Michelle do. Dave tells him that Michelle has gone down. Robert it surprised. Dave repeating his answers. Robert wants to know what else the girls were saying, Dave isn't too interested, giving him a confusing answer ending in "and sh_t like that" which wasn't informative.

Robert announces to the world that he needs to have sex very soon.

Dave starts splashing water and humming to himself. Dave says that "You know what I realized? I'm not attracted to Michelle any more, she doesn't do anything to me" Robert agreeing. Dave wondering if he's sick or something? Saying he's just over it, that she's a sweetheart, but her personality brings it all down. "I can never see myself going out with her."

Robert says, "Oh, no way... not anyone in here has a... personality that I would want to date." He says that's kind of better though.

Erika comes out to check the turtles, and the guys talk about the turtles getting soaked. Erika retrieves the turtles and walks them back to the house, one of the turtles have something hanging on him, Erika "eeewwws" and says the turtle ate a piece of yarn - we get to see her pull it out of the turtle (very attractive - aren't *you* sorry you missed it?)

Dave comes over to see and they're discussing it. Wow, the turtles have names. Erika or someone has named them, and Dave's asking how she can tell them apart. The one with the two dots is less agressive, so that's (sounds like Polk?). Can't tell exactly what their names are. (something like polk and cuff??? anyone know the turtle names?)

Erika goes in and Rob goes back to talking about girls, saying he wishes he was attracted to one of them but every one of them makes him want to throw up. He has to repeat this twice, and call out to Dave to get Dave to pay attention to him. Dave agrees, "Yeah," seems to think a minute, then agrees a couple more times, "Yeah, yeah." Rob saying "not one in the outside I would talk to."

Feed switches to turtle mom and dad investigating what in the corner the turtles could have eaten. They both bend over, staring at the ground, and Jack says he doesn't see anything and they leave. Apparently he touched the yarn or something, and now he's going to wash his hands. More discussion about the yarn retrieval, and how Erika thought Jack knew where she got the yarn from.

They go inside and I'm switching to quad feed - only Robert outside in hammock on 2 feeds, and Michelle and Nate sleeping on 2 more. No view inside and handwashing, so the question will go unanswered...

Jul 19 2003 17:57, Sat Chica417 ParentRootLink
Tortoise's names are "Cuff" and "Link" n/t
)

Jul 19 2003 18:07, Sat Anonymous ParentRootLink
tortoise names
Cuff and Link

Jul 19 2003 18:10, Sat Anonymous ParentRootLink
Robert said spefically
he said clearly about the girls "the cu**s in this house all make me want to throw up"

Jul 19 2003 17:57, Sat Watch It   Link
Dave and Ali in sand bedroom
Looking at pictures and not really talking. Erika comes in and lays down. Erika, "There's like nothing to do but sleep" Ali, "I know."

Feed switches outside, Dave and Robert talking, Rob saying something is killing him, "In the outside world, I'm always moving, doing sh*t with chicks, this is #JEE#ing killing me today."

Dave says he can't wait to get the engine in his truck fixed and he'll take Rob for a ride. (snicker)

Dave walks off to do laundry, leaving Robert bouncing himself in the hammock. One feed on each of them, other 2 on Nate and Michelle apparently napping.

Jul 19 2003 17:57, Sat Quench   Link
Robert still lying in the hammock. Saying that this is killing him.
Just lying around doing nothing. Not out there picking up chicks. He doesn't even sit a home and watch TV. He is always out. This is killing him

David says yeah he can't wait to get out so he can put the engine in his truck. I'll take you out in it.

Robert: that would be cool. But this is killin me.



Jul 19 2003 17:57, Sat Watch It   Link
Wow, Jee thanked Jun for cooking, saying it was really good NT

Jul 19 2003 18:05, Sat Anonymous   Link
"They make me want to throw up, every little cu*t in here." - said Robert, about the girls NT

Jul 19 2003 18:08, Sat Watch It   Link
Jack and Erika talk in sand bedroom
Dana talking really loud in background and making hearing difficult.

Jack tells Erika something about Justin, Erika answers back, and then Jack says Jee is out there, and gets up to leave, as Jee walks by the doorway in the background.

Jack comes back to sit down, "Justin agrees the nominations are a throw away, like we did." Jack getting up, moving, saying, "It's all based on Robert." Jack thinks she says something, asking what. Erika says, "My wheels are turning."

Erika gets up and shuts the door, "It would be genius if we used Justin until the end, and thinking you have an alliance with the guys. But you've gotta be able to convince them that, it should be easy to convince them that you're going after the wrong person."
They agree.
Erika, "but that's the only way it will work."
Jack saying it won't work if Dana is there and the guys get different information from her and him
Erika saying that's why Dana has to go this week, that then Jack will be able to be in with them.
Jack says he keeps telling Justin, "Come on, you know this is a ridiculous nomination" and Justin agreed.
Erika, "They don't have firm numbers, they need you."
Saying the trio think they have Ali and Nate. Quick mention of Jun that I couldn't hear.
Jack goes to open the door back up, but first asks if Dave talked to Justin, Erika says no.
Jack saying when they were playing cards earlier, Justin acted like he had something to say. Jack asks if he had anything new, Erika says no. Jack leaves, leaving the door open as he goes out, Erika is laying back down with her eyes closed.

Jul 19 2003 18:21, Sat Watch It   Link
Jack is incapable of staying away from Erika apparently,
because he's back in the room, Erika closes the door, they discuss where Dana is (in the bathroom).

Erika telling Jack about the plan to possibly grab her back. She told David that they can grab Dana at the last possible second and tell her that they were trying to see the trio's strategy, that they are voting her off next week, and saying if they can scare her maybe they can get her back just for this vote.

Jack saying they have the votes to win without her, and if they approached her she might go to Jee or Justin. He says he likes the idea (when Erika looks down and fidgets with the bed) of going to Justin, Jack says Justin gave him the impression Jee is getting hard headed about it and won't change his mind.

Erika says "He's afraid of me" and that's why he won't do it. Says maybe Jack can talk to Jee. Jack says he's considered going to Justin about Robert, but it's a big card to play. Jack talking about contrasting the value of putting pressure on Justin to get Dana nominated, to Justin thinking he is with him that week. Jack saying they can't remain fixated on Dana, that they are fixated with her when they should be going after Justin.

Erika agreeing with this (sorry, missed the part that there is ANY way they can do anything about Justin right now, so I totally missed why Jack keeps saying this). Running water in background.

Jack saying something about Jee turning things around, changing his mind.

Erika, "Maybe you can say... this might be a good plan, you, David, Nate went to Justin and said, "this could be the four." and teamed up, you'd have to get rid of Robert, and Jee.. and you'd have to let the pressure on to take me off."

Jack, "I see what you're saying, I figured we tipped our hand with the alliance with Nathan by all of us going in there yesterday, three of us going there... Nate's kind of isolated with the women, they think that something, this alliance is simply based on this bedroom over here which has happened in previous shows, those alliances don't last very long, based on geography.. but in this case we've got four, three..."

Erika saying they can't change their minds, the vote is going to be completely out in the open.

Both lay back and think about it, Erika saying, "And then we'll blindside them.... obviously if you're aligned with them they're going to start going after girls."

Jack, "Right, Nathan and the girls." Saying he's curious to see how Justin approaches David, that obviously David doesn't know anything yet.

2 feeds on them, 2 on sleeping Nate/Michelle in other bedroom.

Jack saying he spoke to Jun, that she was more sure than Ali, that Ali is a small question mark.

Erika saying it worries here, that see, she's not completely safe.

Feeds time out as Jack says he'd like to talk to....

They're quiet and thinking when sound resumes.

Jack, "Have you talked to Jun or Ali?"

Erika, "Not really today."

More quiet contemplation, Jack looking like he's about asleep.

Jul 19 2003 18:33, Sat Quench   Link
Robert pulls out the PB to make a sandwich. Gives a heavy sigh.David walks by and laughs

"David please come to the DR"

David sings on his way to the DR
What do they want from me
Maybe they have to pee
How are you doing Jee
Maybe they will say Gollee

Jul 19 2003 18:34, Sat bidz_yo   Link
Dave was adjusting bathroom rug, and then after heading...
...back to the kitchen (where Ratbert was making a PB+J), he was asked by BB to go to the Diary Room. He starts singing, "What do they want from Me? Maybe they have to Pee. How ya doing Jee?" (LOL) Video on Feed 1 actually stays on him as he enters the DR. For a few seconds you can hear the BB guy saying how popular he is in DR today and that he just had a few questions for him... FOTFH

Jul 19 2003 18:42, Sat Quench   Link
Jun talking to Dana in the HOH
Jun: Erika thinks she is safe.

Dana: I only want to be nominated by ppl I like.

Dana: I would rather get nominated and evicted by (someone) rather than Nate.

Dana: It will be me you and Ali are the only girls going to be left.

Ali comes in.

Dana and Jun say that Erika takes Exlax and talk about only have to go to the washroom every 3 or so days.

Now talking about Erika's breasts and how she has had a tummy tuck.

Dana talking about how she will run the HOH room when she gets HOH. Can't wait til she gets HOH.

Michelle comes in. Eating a PB sandwich.

Talking about sleeping with Nate.

Talking about how there isn't enough girls and the guys are still strong. They think that once Erika gone then the guys will turn on each other.

Jul 19 2003 18:43, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Jack to Erika, "you're going to be fine, you're not going anywhere."
She's nervous, he doesn't blame her, he would be in her position. Jack says Jun is firm. They're still talking about the number of votes for and against.

Feeds still 2 on them, 2 on sleeping people. 2 sleepers replaced by living room view of Dave, Dana, and Jee sitting around talking on couch. Jee is tired. Dave's toe is still blue. Dana thinks she'll take a nap. Jee is becoming a hermit in here. They're going to play cards.

Switching back to Jack and Erika, whose strategy talk has resumed. Jack talking about his chat with Justin, apparently he filled her in. Erika saying she'll be so p*ssed if she goes. Jack says he knows she will, that "we won't let that happen."

LR feeds switch again, and F3 is Robert still in the hammock, swaying instead of bouncing now, and F4 is Jun out on back patio wringing out clothes. F1 shows Erika in bed, F2 is longer shot of her and Jack each in their beds.

F3 zooms in on the clothes wringer (oooooh, exciting).
Lots of switching around with the feeds, now showing most of the houseguests for a moment and moving on. Dave paged to DR.

Dave walks into DR, "guys just can't get enough of me?" and the BB guy tells him he's number one on the list today, then says "no actually I've just got a couple things..." and sound switches to outside, though F2 is still showing Dave in DR with no sound before going to FOTH.

Feed switch to HOH, Dana and Jun. Jun, "Even if I wanted to be a Japanese princess I never could" Dana laughs, "You're not Japanese." Jun, "I know, I'm just saying... remember in the 80s?" Jun talking about a phD who went from over here to there and they checked every inch of her body for moles and stuff.

Jun, "Erika was saying, "this is my last week here.." Jun says she doesn't want to go out like that. Dana agrees. Jun saying it's still going to hurt getting evicted. Dana says she'd rather get nominated and evicted by #FOTH#ing Robert than Nathan. Dana saying it's so funny, talking about how in the DR she was saying "this dude does not know who he's messing with." Jun saying that Nate and Jack must have something. Dana saying that they all do, talking the original alliance. Dana saying she's still trying to work Michelle and work the whole girl alliance, that it'll be all the girls at the end. Talking about who Nathan put up, a girl instead of a guy leaving, and Ali comes in.

talk turns general.

Ali says "Nate's Angels are going bad." Michelle comes in with PB on two pieces of bread. whisper whisper.. talk about how they don't have enough girls and Jun says they want to get rid of Erika because she's a b*tch, and then the guys will start getting rid of each other.


Jul 19 2003 18:46, Sat Quench   Link
Jun please come to the DR
Dana says "Tell them you are pissed because we couldn't have any of your cake."

Jul 19 2003 18:55, Sat Quench   Link
David and Michelle under the covers in the HOH bed.
David: You know something. Nothing. Nothing is going is happen. See my hands are right here. Sticks them up in the air.

David: We can never go out after this

Dana: Why? her?

David: yes Apples and Oranges. And Michelle knows it.

Dana heads out of the HOH to have a nap.

David: Don't you agree about what I said.

Michelle:You used to say you wanted to go back out with me? Remember that phone call.

David:Yeah

David: Is that why it confuses this sh*t I say

Michelle: Yeah. I understand why you say it. Is it weird with me here

David: No

Michelle: Just different

David: Yeah. I feel like we were just friends. It's not weird because I don't want to go out with you.

Michelle: It's funny because we met at a beach like 4 years ago and here we are.



Jul 19 2003 18:56, Sat imhooked   Link
I think Dave & Mi are under the covers talking in the HOH bed, not sure if they're just teasing the cameras (& us). NT

Jul 19 2003 19:00, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Jack and Erika yet again, and later Michelle/Dave stuff (Dave calculates camera angles!)
They're talking about how someone is upset and not going to win stuff. I missed WHO in the feed change and all they say is "she". Jack is going to talk to someone and leave the door open when he leaves, secret agent Erika pulls the covers over her head and says she will pretend she is sleeping.
Jack leaves. Feeds switches to HOH with Michelle and David, David joking with someone outside the room, "yeah, we're in bed together. You know what that means, nothing."

Dave puts his hands up outside the covers, "Look, here are my hands. Not doing anything."

Camera moves around so we can see more of Michelle's bare back as we hear her complain the bread is not filling her up. Dave tells her, "You know we can never go out again ever." Michelle, "No?" Dave, "no." Dana comes by and hears and asks why. Dave says, "Apples and oranges." Tells Michelle, "Apples and oranges, we always have been." Dave asks what Dana is doing, she says taking a nap. He says good. She says, "Why, you dont' want me here?" Dave, "Whatever."
Michelle asks where Jack and Erika are, they have to play them. Dana agrees, "That's right, we do." Says let her nap and they will. Dave still singing, "dobe do, bedobedo, scooby doo"

Dave turns to Michelle, "Don't you agree with me?"
Michelle, "That we're like completely different"
Dave, "Well, yeah, but we could never go out again. If you don't think so you can say so, but I just think we're like completely different."
Dave, "You're pretty quick with answers, huh?"
Michelle, "No, I understand what you're saying."
Dave fidgets, looking at himself in the silver water container by the bed. He's singing to himself nonsense and BB FOTH briefly.
Michelle, "You used to tell me you wanted to go back out with me.. remember, that phone call?"
Dave, "Yeah."
More looking at themselves in the reflecting silver.
Dave, "Is that why it confuses you when I tell you that #FOTH#"
Michelle, "No, I completey understand.. I just remember"
Dave, "..I haven't seen you in a long time."
Michelle, "Is it weird with me here?"
Dave, "No."
M, "Different"
D, "It's not weird, I just feel like we're good friends.. if I still wanted to go out and stuff, then it would be weird."
M, "I agree."
D, "It's like you're here and I'm here, it's kinda funny."
M, "Who would ever have expected this. Like, we met at the beach, like, four years ago and now, here we are."
D, "It's funny, it's definitely funny... these cameras are hilarious."
Dave hums, sounds like "here I come to save the day"
Dave looking around, noticing the cameras, and there's one directly over the bed. The look on his face is GREAT. He's calculating positions and what someone could see in the different cameras!
M, "What?"
Dave sat up and is staring at all the cameras, then back down to the head of the bed, up and down and around several times, obviously mentally calculating angles and what can be seen. "Nothing, it's a good angle... I'm just seeing what all the angles are, on the bed." (lol, a bit late now) bit more chit chat

Feed 2 on Dave's face, M asks what's wrong, and he says nothing. There is a slightly worried/considering look on his face, his eyes still occasionally looking around the room. Michelle talks about how bad she is and how she's gaining weight. Dave says she'll be fine, that she's not eating all that sh_t at night before she goes to bed. Dave now raising his voice a bit, telling her she needs to take a health class and learn about her body so she doesn't f*** it up, telling her she reads a couple articles in a magazine and thinks she knows something. Michelle saying she can't exercise, she's not getting all the food groups, and Dave says she is from the PB&J, believe it or not. Michelle saying, "But I'm eating like 10 meals a day." And on and on til feed switches off them.

Jee and Rob are playing marbles. Ali walks through.


Jul 19 2003 19:00, Sat Quench   Link
David looks around the room at the cameras
Oh that is a good camera. Great angles. Sits up and looks at the different cameras. Now he is thinking looking around the room.

Michelle talks about how PB is not filling but she feels like she has no energy but she feels like she is getting fatter. And needs to work out.

David now talking about how she isn't fat and if she feels that way that she should see someone on the outside about it.

They are talking about how she is eating way too much PB because she is eating all the time.

Switching to Robert and Jee playing marbles in the walk way of the dining area


posting

Jul 19 2003 19:03, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Michelle and Dave leave HOH loudly
Michelle saying something like "Because I can't get full!" and flounces off.
Dave saying, "WTF is wrong with these people?" and follows her out.

Jul 19 2003 19:29, Sat Amfam   Link
Losing food team gets to eat
It looks like the food comp losers are getting to eat the food competition casseroles from the food competition. They are eating the ham and cauliflower casserole. Some are picking out the ham and making sandwiches (I think Nat and Ratbert).
Nat earlier was complaining about feeling weak....so maybe this was a concession that BB gave them because they all have been complaining about the PBJ diet.

Jul 19 2003 20:25, Sat rosieskye2 ParentRootLink
Error in Food Competition
Sorry about the last slip in posting. There was a possible BB error in the food competition. Apparently one of the casseroles was incorrectly labled in the bb office. Meaning that the HG (same error on both sides) may have been guessing correctly but being told they weren't. This may be the conselation for a possible error. BB may not admit the error but instead pacifying the non-eaters. Just a theory. I know Erika went to DR to inform them of this possible error.

Jul 19 2003 19:34, Sat bruhe   Link
this is a nice moment...
the houseguests (michelle, nathan, robert, jun, allison, jack, jee, justin - others off camera) but mostly the majority of the hgs are enjoying small talk and jokes and laughter around the dining room table.
yet as i write this, the group starts to disperse.
At least there was another brief moment of carefree fun

Jul 19 2003 19:36, Sat bruhe   Link
someone jokes about the movie a few good men...
david then says "eat my Sh-t!" they say "what???" he repeats it... and then jee and nathan explain what they were talking about.. jee says "we were talking about the movie c-cksucker" lol

Jul 19 2003 19:47, Sat bruhe   Link
the hgs are clearly bored.... but talking.
david asks erika about her dogs.. who is taking care of them?
er: my mom
dave: how many do you have?
erika holds up 4 fingers
dave: 4? wow! are they all the same type of dog?
Er: no they're all mutts. I had three but saved one from an abandoned building. they are tearing down buildings to build a school. he is so sweet.. when the cameras came to do my...
foth.

Jul 19 2003 20:07, Sat sqrl   Link
Ratbert scratching the jewels while laying on sofa NT

Jul 19 2003 20:13, Sat Quench   Link
Jun, Ali and Michelle outside doing stretches, lunges, jumping jacks.
Justin lifting weights.

Camera does close up Jun's breasts as she is doing jumping jacks.

Jul 19 2003 20:16, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Robert saying right now he'd be wearing his suit, talking to people in the restaurant...
"Right now, I'd be wearing my suit, right now."

Dana and Dave also saying what they'd be doing. Dave something about being at a relative's, and I missed Dana's completely.

Jul 19 2003 20:25, Sat sqrl   Link
Dv just finished trimming Jus hair with clippers (Ed. much better) NT

Jul 19 2003 20:30, Sat sqrl   Link
Erica comments on Jus new hair...
E: I like it better
Js: huh?
E: I like it better, without the little bangs
(teehee)

Jul 19 2003 20:34, Sat Strange_Brewster ParentRootLink
Also says he has nice eyes. Hummmm NT

Jul 19 2003 20:35, Sat sqrl   Link
ER & Js in WC ...
Js is cleaning hair clippers with a toothbrush (!) Erica mentions her eyes are red. Justin mumbles and Er looks him in the ye to show the redness. Er then says: "your eyes are nice.". After a weird pause while ER uses eye drops Js mumbles a "thank you".

Jack comes into showe while Js continues to clean clippers and now the sink.

Jul 19 2003 20:41, Sat Quench   Link
Okay the women have decided to do bathing suits with fruits
They are going to cut the fruit and scoop out the insides and cover their nipples. and use bread for bottoms. Erika comes into the SR and they ask if she is in. She said she would watch.
Jun is chickening out.

They are going to finish exercising. Then a shower then the bathing suits

Telling the guys there will be a surprise tonight

Jul 19 2003 20:44, Sat sqrl   Link
Dn, Jee & Dv discussing Js cauliflower ear. NT

Jul 19 2003 20:47, Sat Lotus   Link
Dana to Dave "Is my foot on your penis?" Dave's response "No, its next to it" and then the camera zooms in to check LOL NT

Jul 19 2003 20:58, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Nate and Ali were in LR, called over Rob and asked him if he was making a deal
with Dave, Jack, and ERIKA.
He said No, then asked, "Dave, Jack, AND Erika? Why, she's leaving."
Ali shrugged, she said Erika told them.
Rob said he would find out. Nate said he knows they wouldn't do that.
Ali said she doesn't understand why Jee isn't doing what the house wants.
Rob leaves, and Ali tells Nate that she is sticking to the original and she has to make sure the two guys do, if they don't they are f*cked.

Jul 19 2003 21:02, Sat Quench   Link
Living Room Action/Strategy Sessions
Ali: Jack is trying to get David and Justin to join them.

Nathan: Where will that leave us
A: we need to get rid of Erika
N: Really why is that

Ali: Then they will join them

Robert comes into the area
N: Hey Robert has Erika or Jack asked you to join up with them.

R: Nope. But I will find out. Why she is leaving

A: Erika just told us.

R: What she is going.

A: Why is Jee isn't doing what the house requests. He will have a target on his ass.

R: He just thinks he is doing the best. FOTFH

back after Robert leaves. Nathan and Alison talk about how the original should stick together. But Nathan isn't sure. Nathan says if Jack and Erika can blackmail us first they are screwed and if they blackmail Justin and Robert then we are screwed.

Nathan is talking to Erika now and him and Ali telling her that the whole house wants Dana out but he feels he does his own thing. They are telling Erika that she should talk to Jee

Posting

Jul 19 2003 21:09, Sat Quench   Link
More strategy talk
Jack pops in and talks about how Robert listens to Jee. And how the guys want the guys as an alliance And if Jee doesn't put up Dana then there is enough votes to keep Erika in the house.

Jack leaves

And Erika, Nathan and Ali still in the living room.

Nathan : And if Jee doesn't fall in line but Robert and Justin are going up next week.

They talk about how the guys want the girls out one by one.

Erika: And Dana can be dealt with later because she is losing it more and more each day. The focus even if I go is to get Justin and Robert up and Justin out

Jul 19 2003 21:10, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Nate says his gut instinct is to vote Erika off
Nate calling over Erika.
Nate tells her "I don't know if that's a good idea trying to talk to them about that, to Justin and Robert about joining up with them.. because no matter what you're going to be safe."
Erika asks about Jee.
Nate and Ali assure her he's not going to change his mind.
Ali saying it doesn't make sense.
Nate, "It's you, Erika. I mean, have you honestly sit down and talked to him about it?"
Ali, "That's what you need to do."
Nate, "With no Robert or Justin, that's what you need to do."
Ali, "Tell him, listen, this is what everybody wants."
More whispering, Jack has joined.
Nate, "I wouldn't go up to them and try to join forces, I really wouldn't."

(What just happened here?)

Jack whispering. Telling NATE to ask Dana to join them, that he and Dave had a talk (I missed that one too).
Jack saying he wants to hear what they have in mind next week, telling that Justin came to Jack. Saying Justin told him they'd have the five men, that they'd have the majority in the house.
Nate asking something.
Jack saying that's not what he's doing.
All agree they can't let the trio get any stronger.
Jack saying after the vote they won't tell him anything else, but for now, he can listen to what they have in mind.
Nate blathering on about not knowing something.
Ali again saying she doesn't understand Jee's thinking.
Jack again calling Jee stupid saying he's listening to Robert. Jack says they can see through the windows and he's going to clear out.
Erika saying they want to get rid of the girls.
Jack sees Michelle in kitchen and calls over to her, asking if she wants to play cards later. She says she does.
Jack goes outside, joins the group with Dave, Dana, and Jun.

Nate tells Erika to talk to Jee again. Erika says he's puppet, no backbone. Nate telling her what to say, "I know you're strong.. this is not between you and me, it's between Robert and Justin... say, 'I have no problem with you, in the house.'" Telling her again to tell Jee to look at the numbers.
Nate and Ali say they so want to tell Justin. Erika says don't, it doesn't make sense, it would just make them more angry. Erika apologizing for putting them in this position. Ali asks, how is it your fault? It's not your fault. Ali saying, I'm sorry for you, don't be sorry for me.
Erika asking them if Dana is a lost cause.
Ali saying no one's going to go after her because no one trusts her, so no one thinks she's a threat.
Nate agrees she's going to skate right on through.
Ali says if she wins she'll put up her and Justin.
Nate says no.
Erika telling her, even if she goes, don't lose focus. Telling Ali it has to be Robert and Justin.
Ali saying if you put them up together, Justin gets voted out.
They agree.
Ali says then what does it matter who I put up?
Erika says, Because we need to break up that alliance.
Ali gets it now.
Erika saying Dana can go later, that each day she gets worse and worse and everyone can see it. Saying as much as you don't like her, she's not the focus right now, she's not the biggest threat.

(as I realize I am staring blankly at the screen, Jun has walked in and the talk changes to Michelle - can someone update with what Erika said to start all this off??)

Jul 19 2003 21:12, Sat Quench   Link
Nathan asks if they are going to do string bikinis
Jun comes by and he asks her this. She says no. I am not like that.

Alison says it was Michelle's idea. Michelle in the other room says what. Alison says it's a no go

Nathan says I knew you would chicken out.

Back to strategy talk

Erika says I don't want to go because I want Robert to go first. I am the one who applied for this show. and he will stay longer. Everything he gets it's because of me

Jul 19 2003 21:12, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Erika saying it's your decision, her or me...
Saying she just wants to stay longer than him.
Nate saying he says the same thing.
Erika saying it p*sses her off that she was the one who applied, and he gets the call. Saying everything he gets is because of her.
Ali saying she is tired.
Erika again telling her not to lose focus.

Jul 19 2003 21:18, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Erika saying the first HOH was designed for her to win
Saying she initiated the conversation with others about the beauty of Alison's smile, talking about the weight age question as well. Nate saying the first competition was totally for him. Nate wonders if they (BB) listen to their conversations. (?)
Ali saying if they're going to get it one week, this is the best week. They were probaby bound to get it anyway, so this is the best "for us" (okay, there's no clue who "us" means, but since she's talking with Nate and Erika, she probably wants Erika to believe she means the original group, minus Dana)
Ali leaves and comes back, "Am I wrong for thinking that way?"
They tell her no.
Something about what if's, Ali says, "After tomorrow there won't be any what if's until next hoh"
Nate saying they were talking about veto, Dave didn't know if he was going for it, Nate told him to go for it thinking he would use it and Dana would be gone.

Jul 19 2003 21:37, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Ali threatening what she'll do to Dana if Dana wins next HOH, name calling galore
Michelle walks up.

Jul 19 2003 21:39, Sat Quench   Link
Jack walking by just called Jun - Junebug. Heading back into LR to play cards with
Erika, Dana and Michelle.

Jul 19 2003 21:47, Sat _WatchIt_   Link
Alison, Nate, Robert, Justin in hot tub, too hard to hear
Michelle, Erika, Jack playing cards in LR
Dana in kitchen getting coffee, was playing cards with them.

Jul 19 2003 21:58, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Alison, Nate, Rob, Justin Jee talking about Michelle's body, boys say she needs boob job
then she would be a ten.

Jul 19 2003 22:00, Sat John_DK_ ParentRootLink
No, then they whould say: Fake boobs are not good, why did she do it... NT

Jul 19 2003 22:13, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Justin asked Dana if she wanted to shower with him NT

Jul 19 2003 22:20, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Justin and Rob talking about Justin moving in with Rob after BB NT

Jul 19 2003 22:26, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Jun is making a cabbage/lettuce bikini all alone in the HOH room NT

Jul 19 2003 22:29, Sat joannie   Link
Jun is busy sewing her string bikini out of a head of cabbage. NT

Jul 19 2003 22:32, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Jee wants to come in the HOH but JUN won't let him
She lets him in so he can get a towel

Jee: What the hell are you doing?

Jun: NOne of your business


Jul 19 2003 22:33, Sat ktan   Link
Jee wants to get a towel but Jun tells him she's "changing", makes him wait
After he enters he looks at lettuce and says "What the hell are you doing?" Jun tells him not to tell anybody else. Jee says he might have to come back. Jun asks why, says it's his room. Jun says not until midnight and says she supposed to have it for 24 hours. After Jee exits, Jun resumes her organic bikini.

Jul 19 2003 22:38, Sat ktan   Link
For the bikini top, there is a pair of small tomatoes on top of two small pieces of lettuce. NT

Jul 19 2003 22:43, Sat bruhe   Link
allison says go to hottestcoed.com and sure enough she is featured... NT

Jul 19 2003 22:44, Sat livefeedwhore   Link
Alison just confirmed that she did not apply for BB, she was hand picked but she doesn't know from where NT

Jul 19 2003 22:49, Sat Quench   Link
Jun in HOH creating Bathing Suit Cups using Cabbage and cherry tomatoes.
Jee pops in and says he wants into the room. She says you gave me the room for my birthday until midnight. And I am not finished. He rummages around and gets a few things then leaves her to her creative sewing.

Jul 19 2003 22:49, Sat bruhe   Link
feed 3 shows jun.... getting in touch with her roots? shes all crafty in there. NT

Jul 19 2003 22:53, Sat Quench   Link
F2 and 3 showing close ups of fruits and veggies in the SR and
F1 and 4 showing Jun opening up the room to Dana

Jul 19 2003 22:58, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Dana comes in HOH and whispers something to Jun, then Jun says
Jun: Alison thinks you like him (Justin)

Dana: She can kiss my ass, I'm 28 years old I need a man not a boy.

Jul 19 2003 23:01, Sat ktan   Link
Once again, Jee wants to go in the HOH, Jun says no. NT

Jul 19 2003 23:18, Sat Quench   Link
Jun has now finished her creations. Locks the HOH door and heads to the WC
She tells Michelle that the suits are ready and let Alison know. Michelle asks if she made one for herself. She says No. Michelle finishes blowdrying her hair.

Feeds switch to the LR with David, Erika and Jack randomly talking about the fact that they are taped because David really wants his toy - his digital camera. They chat about the Turtles. Does Jack nap.
How David doesn't bring anyone back to his place because he doesn't want the girls he dates to know where he lives. Talks about how his uncle just had his wedding last weekend.

Jul 19 2003 23:22, Sat ktan   Link
Now Jun is doing the bikini bottoms. She takes a leaf of cabbage and covers it over her crotch to test. NT

Jul 19 2003 23:29, Sat ktan   Link
Jun leaves HOH to get plastic wrap
Back inside HOH, she tears off a piece and wraps it around the ends of two leaves holding them together for the bottoms. Once done, she sets it aside.

Jul 19 2003 23:29, Sat Quench   Link
Jun now working on the bottoms. She heads out of the HOH to get some
Saran Wrap

Jee says can't I have my room back.

Jun: I still have an hour and a half.

Jee: But I want my room back

Jun: Oh cry me a river.

Gets the Saran Wrap and heads back to the HOH

Jul 19 2003 23:36, Sat Quench   Link
Michelle comes into the HOH and Jun tests her for size on the bottom portion
Michelle talks about how her family will react.

Ali talking to Michelle about how the Guys want us all gone.

All the guys minus Nate are all against the women.

Jul 19 2003 23:38, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Michelle telling Jun the Guys are plotting against the girls
Michelle: What would they do without us here, they would have no food.
Jun: Maybe we should keep Dana for more than one week. Mother ****ers
What are they thinking

Jul 19 2003 23:40, Sat cubbie   Link
4 Feeds on Jun Making a Cabbage Bikini--boring! NT

Jul 19 2003 23:50, Sat BB4Shel   Link
Jun says Cabbage bikinis ready in about 20 mins NT

Jul 19 2003 23:51, Sat Quench   Link
Alison arrives in the HOH sporting a Towel.
She now has reservations about putting it on. I'm scared.

Jun: I feel like a sweatshop lady.

Ali: Michelle said she came in here to try on the bottoms. How.

Jun: I just told her to spread her legs and slip it between them

Ali:We better do this tonight or the lettuce will get soft.

Ali leaves the room to blowdry her hair.

Jun is now snickering to herself as she puts the finishing touches on the bottoms.

Jul 20 2003 00:06, Sun Quench   Link
The girls in and out of the HOH
Alison comes into the HOH talks about how she went outside in the BY and the guys practically jumped her to see if the bathing suit was under the towel.

Michelle comes in talks about how she may be innocent but she still has a good time.


Dana of course pops in and talks stategy about how Jun can't talk to Jee like that.

Justin bangs on the door. What is going on in there. Dana and Michelle saying they are not coming out. Then they make a mad dash for it.

Jee now wants his Vanilla icecream. and he's yelling that he wants his room back.

Dana comes in to get it and talks to Jun by the closed door

Dana just called Nathan a fag. And how she doesn't want someone who is six years younger than her.

Jun says the suits will be ready in 10 minutes

Jul 20 2003 00:08, Sun Quench   Link
The girls Alison and Michelle decide that they will be changing in the WC. NT

Jul 20 2003 00:12, Sun Quench   Link
Jun back in the HOH after getting 2 metal bowls.
Covers the bathing suits with a towl and a shirt.

Cleans up her mess. and leaves the HOH room

Jee beaches about the fact that she is using his towel.

She takes the bowl and puts it in the WC. Closes the door.

Erika is blow drying Alison's hair

Then FOTFH

Jun comes back into the kitchen. Fiddles with the table tennis net.


Jul 20 2003 00:19, Sun KimM   Link
Getting ready for the bikini show
Erika is styling Ali's hair.

Jun finishes the salad bikinis and takes them to the WC. She uses Jee towel to cover them and of course, he complains abotu her using his towel. Lots of laughing at that.

Meanwhile, Jack, Nathan and David are playing kitchen ping pong. Nate has beaten both of them.

Jul 20 2003 00:23, Sun Quench   Link
F4 Ali and Michelle go into the WC. Dana realizes she can't fit in there
BB goes to the FOTH but we can hear them Giggling like crazy. with lots of OMG thrown in

Jul 20 2003 00:23, Sun KimM   Link
Ali, Michelle, and Jun went into the WC to change into thier bikinis. The camera zooms in on the doornob. Lots of giggling can be heard.
Erika peeks in and laughs

Jul 20 2003 00:24, Sun Quench   Link
F3 now Jun, Dana, Alison and Michelle in WC just a shot of the closed door.
Lots of giggling

Jul 20 2003 00:26, Sun kathryn ParentRootLink
Dana is in HoH with Jee, Jus, and Rob NT

Jul 20 2003 00:28, Sun KimM   Link
The girls continue to change in the WC
We can hear:

?:Is this going to work?

M: Is this going to cover my buttcrack?

A: We're covering a lot more then the PB (BB3). (one of the others disagrees.)

M: I don't really have boobs A: Don't worry, the leaf will cup it.

They are laughing a lot, helping each other cover the important bits.

Jul 20 2003 00:34, Sun KimM   Link
Dave in the shower
I'm pretty sure the girls are still in the WC, but the feed I was watching them on (F3) went to FOTH and this one doens't have their audio.

Yes, they are. Jun just came out of WC fully clothed.

(I have no audio on this feed. :-( )

Jun went back inot the WC. It looked like she had something in her hand...couldn't really tell what it was, tho'.

Jul 20 2003 00:36, Sun KimM   Link
The girls are out and wearing thier salad bikinis NT

Jul 20 2003 00:44, Sun KimM   Link
The Bikini Show
The girls enter the LR. M doesn't seem quite as comfortable as Ali and is actually showing a little less skin.

There was much whistling, screaming and laughing. I couldn't see from my feed, but Dave came in and did something (pulled M's bikini off?). Towels are thrown ove the girls and the show is over.

Jack thanks them...thanks Jun for doing it for them.

Jee says something about how he'd freak if it was his daughter.

Justin (or maybe Jee) says he's traumatized. Dana also says something completely judgmental.

The girls are clothed and back in the LR now. Dana now saying how much creativity it took and how it'll be on TV.

Dave did rip Michelle's bikini. She's now saying she can't believe he did it and is mad.

Jul 20 2003 00:48, Sun KimM   Link
The excitemnet has dies down and the HGs have resumed Ping pong and cards. Mich looks a little sad (as always). NT

Jul 20 2003 00:53, Sun livefeedwhore   Link
Jun and Alison talking outside, Jun "My gut says stay with the original 7" (looks like Michelle is a goner) NT

Jul 20 2003 00:55, Sun livefeedwhore   Link
Jun and Alison - Ali "The more I get to know Robert the more I don't like him", Jun "He's sheisty (?) as f*cking hell" NT


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