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Topic #1050077
Rabbit - midnight to 12:30 convo **very long sorry** 0 Replies #1050077 12:27AM 15/07/2004
midnight...

Outside with Jase & Holly

H: I think you should accept my apology
J: I'll accept it but i won't forget it
H: I think you should just forget this even happened. Ok or not ok?
J: I just wanna go inside.
H: But you didn't tell me if you were ok or not ok..

Oh the way inside, Jase said "Let's just tell them we're in on it together, that we're all actors."
H: Ok...
They go inside..
H: You guys are so lame..
J: We were just making this whole thing up just to get you guys back.
S: you guys are just joking.
J: Hold on crazy people, you guys are going crazy. I'm Mr. Fun Guy. I'm just getting you guys back for the thing in the HT. You guys can hate me or not but...
S: I don't trust you now. I don't trust either of you now.
L: I think it's wierd.
J: Hey we need a tv. Everyone wants drama, we gave it to you.
L: I so don't wanna be involved.
S: Dude what is going on.
J: Everyone is going crazy. We're just trying to make it funny.
S: No you guys were outside making up and you just decided to go in there and pretend like it's a mistake.


Outside..karen nokomis and lori are talking.
K: They are f'ing blatantly insulting our intelligence. They are so tight. If they don't wake up, Jase & Holly or Jase/HOlly/Scott are going to run this thing.
N: Yeah but we didn't fall for it.
K: They're all duped. Alright i'm going out for HOH. I caught jase in a really big lie, and i was too afraid to tell anyone. In the beginning, Jase led me to believe that he and i were going to the end. It was in the HOH and i was just laying there listening. But through the grapevine, i heard he gave this same proposal to others. I've been sitting on this egg all this time. I haven't told no one so you can't say anything.
N: Oh i won't.
K: I just don't think he's trustworthy. I didn't wanna tell the girls. We have single girls walking around and i don't know what will slip.
N: Yeah something Cowboy said to me kinda hurt me., He was talking about alliances and said my name was in it. He said that I should watch who i'm talking to cause I don't know who my leak is...like there is a leak in our alliance. I'm afraid to tell him things cause he's a follower.
C: Yeah I think that loose lips sink ships. My grandfather told that to me.

Feed switches to scott and jase. jase is telling scott about it.
J: All that stuff we said in there was just for her benefit. All that stuff in there, that was real.
S: I knew that dude.
J: She's totally gaming. The only reason i did that is to take the heat off of her.
S: I don't think you should have put yourself on the block like that for her... everyone wants her up and now you too!
J: Dude, if you go up on the block, i'm down ..
S: Dude don't ever put yourself out there like that on national tv. She's a liar and a mole and you shoudln't do that for her.

Drew & cowboy joins them.
J: I did that to help cover for her. That wasn't an act. Holly's for real.
Drew: Why? But to put yourself at so much of a risk for that bitch?
J: I can't believe she told Diane that, about how I was going to put her up...
S: Yeah i told Lori that wasn't true.
S: I'm not trying to be an ass*ole, but that girl hits on me all the time.
Cowboy: Yeah she does it with us 2 as well.
J: In the DR they ask me if I think she's trying to pit me against anyone, and i'm like 'oh i know she is'
C: Are you going to tell the others?
J: Yeah i will, i just wanted to tell you guys first.
C: Is she going to be sleeping in the HOH?
J: NO..
S: See that is what worries us.
Drew is saying stuff but he's so quiet i can't hear him.
J: Let's go talk to Marvin.
C: He's pissed at you, you can see it in his face.

Cowboy and Jase wen't inside.
J: Marvin hear me out. That wasn't an act. She asked me to help her save face with the group. I said i'd go in and help her out. She knew she was found out. I said i would go in and tell them whatever....I told the guys and now i'm telling you right now. Her stuff is out of the bag.
M: I told you from the start that something was going on. I'm glad you ain't crazy.
W: What's your read as to what's going on.
J: I don't know. There's something, but i don't know. I dunno if she's an airhead blonde or what? What do you think Marvin?
M: I don't think she's a mole, but i think she's working it..flirting with him to make him mad and with someone else..
J: I don't know what her deal is. I kinda got sucked in.
M: Well that's normal, don't fault yourself for that.
J: It's just crazy
M: This is going down, you get HOH and boom, who's the first person you see, Holly!
J: I hope i didn't lose any trust with you guys...and i can understand, whatever, if i end up going down...
M: So all that was true out there?
J: Yeah it was true.
Cowboy: But why would you want you to cover it up for her?
W: I think we should all go to bed and it'll all be ok tomorrow.
S: I'm just worried about this kid (Jase) more than anything. If i hadn't said anything you wouldn't have pulled me outside.
J: I just did what i did..maybe i deserve to be kicked out.
Everyone: No no you don't (smooth move)
C: i still don't know why she wanted you to say this.
K: Part of being an adult is to take responsibility for your actions. In here where it's based on lies and deciept. So for her to come in and say, guess what i lied...now we don't know when she's ever lying or telling the truth now...when time lines starting to get skewed.
J: What i realize, is we're barely into this, and eventually we have to hurt people and walk on people. I like alot of people in this house and i hate to have to boot people out.
S: It ain't you it's not your fault. She's attacking both you and me, hitting on us, it ain't your fault.
M: I call a spade a spade.
S: Don't worry about a thing.
J: I apologize to everyone, ya know..
S: It's 12:20 and BB is loving this *****,we should be in bed.
Cowboy: Well i tell you what? I ain't going to sleep now after this.
M: I tell you she's playing the game. Just keep your eyes open.
Di: I feel like i'm getting played by a f'ing piano right now.
Cowboy: It's these 2..points to scott and drew??
K: I think no one wants to see anyone get hurt or get emotional.
C: Welcome to reality.
K: It's very hard for anyone in a position like that. That's all i'm saying. Nobody's perfect. That's life. I think we all should just let this die. I dunno if anyone else shares this..
M: You know what i'm sayin, you know what i'm sayin, i've been there the m**f***cker...
S: I'm pissed at her..that dumb b*tch is trying to get between me and you.
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Topic #1050078
KimM - Diane is now told that the "joke" was a fake cover for Holly 0 Replies #1050078 12:27AM 15/07/2004
Cowboy actually does the talking and apologizing for Jase.

Karen says Nobody wants anybody to get hurt emotionally.

Someone (CB?) : Welcome to reality.
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Topic #1050091
Del - you know.. its fun to watch Drew try to think... 0 Replies #1050091 12:30AM 15/07/2004
Well...

(pause)

What would

(pause)

you think if they were saying..

(pause)

it was all a cover up to let you save face

(pause)

Hypothetically.

In response, holly give the FAKEST "Whaaaat?" I've ever heard in my life.
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Topic #1050098
Del - Observation - It took all of 15 minutes for the Holly/jase cover to get blown out of the water, and get back to Holly. NT 0 Replies #1050098 12:31AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050100
KimM - The wonder where Holly will sleep tonight. 0 Replies #1050100 12:32AM 15/07/2004
Jase is quiet. Scott suggests she can sleep outside.

CB says they could move Diane in there. Jase doesn't go for it.

Some talk of CB mving into the bed with Diane. he says he can't...promised his fiance.
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Topic #1050104
Alaskagirl - drew asks holly if jase was covering for her 0 Replies #1050104 12:33AM 15/07/2004
and she says that would be crazy if that happened. lori is freaked out.

lori asking holly if her and jase are plotting and if they are going to protect each other. holly says "no" thats not it.
lori is saying she is hurt cuz she thot they were friends and they said they did this because of the thing with her earlier. Now jase is talking to lori and trying to cover his base with her.
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Topic #1050109
KimM - "As far as ultimate strategy is concerned, that was not his best move." 0 Replies #1050109 12:33AM 15/07/2004
Will on Jase's performance.
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Topic #1050112
FuggyBootnling - Talk in the Wood Room...Scott, Jase, Marvin, Karen, Will, Cowboy, Adria...a public forum... 0 Replies #1050112 12:34AM 15/07/2004
Jase trying to defend his position...

Someone asks "So where's she sleeping?"

Someone says "Outside."

Cowboy thinks it would be good if Diane slept in Jase's room.

Cowboy talks about how he agreed with his fiance that he wouldn't sleep in the bed with women "If everyone got bad-ass naked in the HT...she'd be ok."

There's major dissing on Holly...wondering what Jase is doing...Cowboy and Will openly say they don't trust her. And again, look at the people there...this is a public forum. I don't know where she is in the house right now.

Cowboy: "My biggest thing is...he should have confronted her in fromt of everyone." Essentially agreement that Jase's strategy that he went and talked to her alone and then came up with this was wrong. I think Jase is gone right now.

Scott: "She's a liar...that's it."

outside now...posting...
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Topic #1050118
KimM - Drew is telling Holly that Her and Jase's stories don't match 0 Replies #1050118 12:36AM 15/07/2004
She wants to know what J is saying and Drew says, "I'm not going to tell you because you might just go with it then."
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Topic #1050120
tommit2004 - HG outside started questioning Holly and she... 0 Replies #1050120 12:36AM 15/07/2004
... just went inside and went into the HOH room!!!
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Topic #1050127
KimM - Holly leaves the conversation in BY 0 Replies #1050127 12:38AM 15/07/2004
After saying that she needs to g to the DR and that she thinks J is messing with her. She goes to HOH, gets under the covers and it almost looks like she's sucking her thumb.

Feed goes back to the BY where the Holly discussion continues, Then back to Marvin in the bedroom. (ed. Lots of drama today!)
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Topic #1050138
tommit2004 - We got tears!! Holly crying in the HOH and talking to Scott NT 0 Replies #1050138 12:39AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050152
Anonymous - Holly telling Scott in hoh that it was Jase's idea to come in and say their whole fight was a joke. NT 2 Replies #1050152 12:42AM 15/07/2004
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Alaskagirl - ed note-this is true, it was jase's idea NT #1050181 12:46AM 15/07/2004
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Anonymous - jase admitted it was HIS idea to try and help her right before they came back in NT #1050178 12:46AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050156
KimM - Scott goes into the HOH to talk to Holly 0 Replies #1050156 12:42AM 15/07/2004
H: I'm not okay. I'm not okay. (very whiny/crying voice)
s: Stop lying.
H: I'm not. He's telling me to do stuff. Do you want me to tell you everything?
S:Yeah
H:Talks about being questioned about J in the DR, then coming out to the mole accusations and the fight. (rehashing what happened, basically)

Holly tells S that it was Jase's idea to do the fake cover story (ed. this is true).

Scott tells her that J says it was her idea.

Feeds timed out
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Topic #1050159
Anonymous - Marv, Will & Cowboy eavesdropping outside of hoh room. NT 0 Replies #1050159 12:42AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050170
Alaskagirl - jase working the crowd in the BY 0 Replies #1050170 12:44AM 15/07/2004
jase saying he could tell she didnt like him, and that he did the act thing for her becuase she asked him. lori and drew saying that they trust jase but feel like are being played. jase recounting all the things holly has done and slipped up on
the camara seeming to tell her when to talk and not
the outrageous stories in the beginning, he says she told him that "they" told her to tone those down. everyone is commiserating.
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Topic #1050182
tommit2004 - Holly says.. thats it "I wanna leave, I wanna go home" NT 0 Replies #1050182 12:46AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050185
KimM - Holly (crying): I wanna leave. I wanna go home. 0 Replies #1050185 12:46AM 15/07/2004
He made me do this whole acting thing and I was scared to stop. He made me scared.
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Topic #1050192
Rabbit - 12:30 -12:45 am.... more dissecting of Holly.. 0 Replies #1050192 12:48AM 15/07/2004
Jase & Lori in hammock

L: Jase bear with me cause i don't know what ot believe.
J: HOlly was scared cause she didn't know how she could face all these people.

He rehashes the whole story of why he did what he did...i'll spare you the repetition.

switching feeds.

Holly, Karen, Diane, Nokomis and Drew
D: There's a liar in between the 2 of you. I can't trust you.
H: What is he saying?
D: I'm not going to tell you his story cause then later you'll just go along with it.
H: I can't handle this. I think he's messing with me. I dunno what's going on..

Holly gets up and leaves.
(having to switch feeds to keep that convo outside.

D: The whole time she's like...(wavering)..that's not ditsy blonde, that's trying to figure out what next to say.
J: Here's the thing, everyone here's been getting duped, but i've been getting it 10 fold. If she was put on the block, i'd put her out without a doubt.
K: Did you tell her at one time that you would never put each other up?
J: absolutely.
K: Thank you for telling me the truth. I trust you now.
Di: you gotta give her credit, she's playhing the game.
J: She tried.
Drew: She got help..we're not on the same playing level as she is.
J: If i go, i don't care.
Drew: It's like she's a drug
L: I have a feeling that she's gonna turn things around and that she's still going to be here..It's crazy.
J: My whole thing is to be as genuine as possible, but hey, i got duped. I'm the one who got suckered and got it the worst.
Drew: Why would she say right then that she had to go to the DR?
J: She told me that BB is telling her to downplay it. They've never told me to downp;lay it. We all have parents, but she can't talk about hers?
L: I feel better knowing you did that to help her out.
J: I did it to be a gentleman. I know if i was doing that, i would have wanted someone to come out there and help me out.
L: I trust you, but i feel vulnerable cause i'd feel stupid if i'm still being duped.
J: I understand cause i was associated with Holly. I mean, i KNEW that she didn't like me...even over there in the hammock, she's like "i so like you"..c'mon she doesn't really like me.

J: Her approach, is she in like a professional or is that just her game?
L: They'r answering her, giving her info in the DR. She'll be talking about things then she's called to the DR, then comes out and says she can't talk about it.
L: I think as a group, we need to decide to get her out. For our sanity, we don't need this stress.
J: If i was coming into the house, and i hoooked up with a girl, i'd be cool with that, like Eric and Lisa, but i would never ever play a girl's emotions.
Drew: I felt like i had to take a huge step to even believe any of her stories.
J: I felt like i believe her stories, but man they were out there.
L: We can't sit here and pick apart her stories,...she just needs to be GONE.
K: It's not the stories that bother me. It's the pecking at people..the pitting of people against each other.
J: She's doing that?
L: Yeah she's going around telling people things getting everyone mad at one another.


(meh my hands are giving out.....unless something new happens I'll post some more)
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Topic #1050193
Anonymous - Holly's afraid of everybody and she's scared because he (Jase) made her do this lie thing." NT 0 Replies #1050193 12:48AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050195
Del - Drew - "We gotta get rid of Holly. She's like a disease in this house. Its like.. F**k.. damn" NT 0 Replies #1050195 12:49AM 15/07/2004
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Topic #1050198
KimM - H tells S that her family don't want to have part of reality TV, wouldn't sign the release. 0 Replies #1050198 12:50AM 15/07/2004
That's why she can't talk about it. She swears she's telling truth.

Scott tells her that he will stay in the HOH with her while she tells J because she's scared.
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Topic #1050201
KimM - Scott: "Holly I do dig you." 0 Replies #1050201 12:51AM 15/07/2004
"I do. but I ain't in here persuing that *****. Maybe another time."
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Topic #1050204
FuggyBootnling - Holly, Drew, Nokomis, Diane, Karen outside. 0 Replies #1050204 12:51AM 15/07/2004
Drew: It's one of those situations where I felt like I could trust you, and now I can't.

Holly goes in...goes to HOH room to lie in bed alone.

Back outside...

And then back inside...(no fishies on feeds tonight!)

Switch to F3...come in on Jase doing more apologizing.

Lori: You gotta give her credit! He's playing the game!

Jase is swearing off her..."This is craziness!"

Lori: "I got a feeling she's going to turn this around, and still be here next week."

Jase: "i got duped, and that's that. I was the one that was suckered."

Jase: "Remember the crazy stories from the beginning?" talks about how BB started to ask her to play down the stories. How she can't talk about her parents.

Lori: "I feel vulnable, becauase I trust you, but..."

Jase: "I know, and I understand that, but I could be snowed really bad."

Essentially Jase is REALLY PUBLICALLY swearing off Holly. Saving face with the house...he did it in the Wood Room, now here outside with different people.

Karen is of the mind that actions speak louder than words...not sure exactly what she means.

Lori says they need her out "we don't need these mind blowing..." things in the house.

Jase is talking about the crazy stories. Drew wonders about them...how uncomfortable he is hearing this. Jase believes them, but "some of them are so outrageous that..." he trails off.

Karen talks about how she buzzes around, constantly wondering about what people are saying about her. Lori chimes in with agreement. Jase says (hat!) that he had no idea she was doing that.

Lori: "Maybe they planned to have it happen longer..." but she got discovered. Jase is down with taking her out. Nokomis chimes in with that too.

Jase: "We can't let ourselves get reeled in." Major agreement...

Drew: "She's like a disease in this house."

Lori: "I think we are all down with this."

Jase: "It's another easy person to get out.,"

Lori: "She'll probably be sweet, probably cry."

Jase says she was sweet to him in the hammock earlier...but he said "Jase, do NOT fall for this again!"

Lori feels better about Jase being in with her somehow.

posting...






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Topic #1050216
Alaskagirl - When asked Jase says "no , she is not sleeping with me tonight" 0 Replies #1050216 12:54AM 15/07/2004
meanwhile in the hoh, holly is telling scott the truth that jase had the idea to say they made the whole thing up, and scott is saying no, i will tell them all the truth
s its not your fault, i will tell them, you are playing the game
h they are all going to hate me now and think i set it up
s no i will tell them, they will listen to me
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