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| soupmonster - Will, Boogie, James, and Kaysar talking more in HOH *SUPER LONG* |
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#3450946 9:27PM 23/07/2006 |
W: I won't even win HOH.
B: Basically, if you can make it happen the way we want this week, you can own us next week. We can lose on the first question if you want us to.
W: I'm making a huge assumption, of the four you two are together. That's what it seems to us.
J: We actually have the most opposite point of views.
W: That doesn't mean you aren't together. You four are running *****, great. At some point M is going to have to go home. It's going to be easier to cut him quickly than risking someone who is not coming after you. Let's say B and Jase get nominated next, you're gonna have to put up M and E, and that wil lbe hell for a week.
B: Everyone in the house is over the diva routine.
W: Hopefully people will see the bigger picture.
B: If you guys are down with it, it's a done deal. I don't know what Janie and M have,b ut they can hang out after the show to talk about make up. I've heard people complain they are tired of his negative attitude. And I like M, I do.
J: Nobody is worried bceause you want to go home. And that makes you a bigger target.
W: That's my point. I think Dani, E, Jase, and Di will support me. If you say to them "look, this is my situation, will you do me this favor" they will do it. I'm the only person in All Star history that will ask to be voted out.
B: I'm trying to respect that he wants to get back to his life, but I also gave up a lot to be here.
W: If you decide not to do it, I'll do whatever I can to leave. It won't be an issue at all.
B: My thing is that the first time I played this, I thought I had this genius plan putting up two people and that one wouldn't come after me, but they got after me. The HOH is a great position if you can find a way to leave that person that is not coming after you. At the end of the day, we are big picture guys. I'm not saying we're gonna be 100% honest throughout the game the whole time we're here. But we've been pretty upfront. I can honestly say we're not after you, and I mean it, and W means it too. Then whatever happens, happens. W can go home. I get it, he wants to leave, and I want to be in a position where I want to advance. M is gonna be a problem at some point. I know you guys think you can handle him, but how great would it be to cut out the cancer.
W: If M won HOH next up, who would go up?
B: I'm not trying to stir up the pot, but he told me H was the most annoying person he's ever met, and he doesn't want to see another Jason. I know he comes up and goes in the tub with Janie and everything, but he's smart. He knows what he's doing. He's desperate. Desperate people will do desperate things. If things come to bite you in the house later...
K: When did he tell you this?
B: Like a week and a half ago. Again, i'm sure he came up here and said similiar things about us. I just wanted to establish that maybe he would put you up. Who knows. Someones' gotta get HOH first.
W: If I'm not here and M wins HOH, he's going to go after two from S6.
B: Everyone says "this is what I'll do" but you gotta win it first. It's gonna be a lot nicer if you cut out someone that is coming after you later. We could probably get Jase to do whatever you want to do, as well. He's nervous, too.
W: Jase is nervous because he's sort of with CT, but he realizes he's a distant third. If it's Jase and I know, I'm not gonna ask for votes, we'll see what happened. If it's me and B, I will get myself evicted.
B: Jase and I are not interchangable. If it's Jase up, there's a chance Will can stay. Once we had an agenda not to let the four of you run *****, but we're done with that. We're not dumb enough to realize that maybe Jase is with the Mr. and Mrs. Smith thing. We know there is two of us and four of you, and I just think this is the best move. You can definitely have five or six people playing HOH next week. We can pull aside Jase and say "can you do this for us" and I'm sure he would.
W: With my elimination, it accomplishes nothing. Ask everyone individually, ask everyone what they will feel putting them up as a pawn against W. People will be shitting their pants. B is not worried because they would probably eliminate me.
B: I'm here about 90% because I want him to stay another week.
J: What do you think if you leave here, and M was put up. Would they think CT and S6 are together?
W: They probably will, but what can they do?
B: Let's just say W and Jase left the next two weeks, and one of you guys got HOH. At that point it will be like B is weak.
W: Once I'm gone, B is a floater.
B: At that point, it's only genius for me to work with you guys. All I did was say the first two weeks that you guys are dangerous, I was pretty vocal about it.
W: At least you guys have the decency to not try and lie about it. Janie was like "we're not an alliance", and it's like.. we know you are. It got insulting.
J: Due to that propaganda and everything else, we formed an alliance as self preservation.
B: You are in a powerful position, and you have to run with it as long as possible. If you are smart enough to do that, I think you are smart enough to tell when someone else can help. I think the last week I think you have seen that this legend of evil Dr came in here... he doesn't have to play like that. You don't have to sit here like you do with M and think "these guys are trying to play". We are laying it out on the line. You guys have the power, you cand o whatever you want, but we think it's the best move for us and you.
W: I understand it's a game. Everyone is going home but two people. I have a clearer concept of that than anyone else here. I have no ill will. If I have to go to Di and E and say "please kick me out"...
J: If I was HOH first week, it would have been easy for me to do exactly what is best for myself. But because of the propagand, we have to come together as much as we can. When you don't want this to leave this room, I'm not going to run and tell E, but I have to talk to Janie and Howie.
W: I can't bring How in this conversation. I think he's hilarious, and I've said good things about him.. but at the end of the day, he's going to be humping the chair instead of thinking of the game.
J: You know how to talk to B, but we also know the levels to know how to talk to How.
W: I just don't think this conversation would accomplish anything if Janie and H were here.
B: Everyone is sort afraid of M..
W: He will throw a ***** fit, you have to be aware of that.
B: We're offering you whatever you want on Thursday. We'll lose on the first question if you want.
J: If I were in your position, I would not tank *****.
B: I haven't.
J: I just wouldn't be tanking ***** because the house sees you guys as a target. If this goes down the way you want it, just because you feel you may be safe from S6 people, I would not advise tanking anything because if the floaters get it... some of them want to win, some want to make it to sequester.
B: I haven't tanked anything yet. I'm kind of mad at my performance. However you want to get down next week to make sure W stays, we will do whatever you want. We will do whatever we can to make things happen. We can be a powerful group of people. The rest of them are lambs. If one of them win HOH and don't come after you, it is evident they are afraid, but you have to slaughter them eventually. You guys are in an amazing position because they're all afraid of you.
J: They're afraid of us because we've been lucky enough to win t hree HOHs.
W: If M wins HOH, he's not putting up E and Di. He's just not. Maybe me and you, but.. I don't know. Maybe. If Di wins HOH, I don't think she's coming after me and B. I'm in a position to support B, that's what I want to do. I owe him for my season, he helped me win considerably. Business in the last five years, we have multiple interests and business together. A much bigger picture than a win on this show, and a friendship for five years. My goal is to help B go as far as he can. Everybody knows that.
B: The biggest point is that you're never going to be on a reality show like this with such high stakes with someone willing to walk out the door. That's a waste.
W: I have very legitimate reasons that I want to walk away, and that shouldn't make people paranoid. That should make people happy that they have a free week.
B: And that free week should happen when you guys are vulnerable.
W: I'll go up every week, but I gotta go home next week or the week after. I don't want to be in a position where B wins the last HOH, and he has to say "sorry". I would throw a ***** fit.
B: At some point, M has to go. I'd rather it be on a 3 day plan, instead of a 7 day plan, because he is a nightmare. You've got a lot of back protecting you next thursday.
W: What questions do you guys have?
J: I don't have any at all. You guys laid out your points. You have made very valid points that have been thought of.
K: So what are you asking for exactly?
B: We're asking for you to up M or somebody else that will definitely go. I don't know if there is anybody else.
W: I can't in good conscience ask for you to put up Dani or Erika. I can't do that.
B: We're saying if you take M out, we'll do whatever you want next week.
W: My relationship with B is more important than mine with Jase. I think he's funny, but I'll do what I have to be.
B: M is just annoying to be around, stomping his feet.
W: If B wins HOH, M is going to be up here kissing his ass.
B: Why not just cut that out now? Most likely you guys will be in power next week.. if you want to take out Jase then, we'll support that, that's fine. We're cool with him, he's a funny guy, but it's drawing more attention our way because we're rapping and playing in the pool. We've had so little conversations about him being with us, but the perception is that he is. It's like with you guys.. you guys may not even be together, but people perceive that you are, so you are.
J: The last thing I wanted tod o was have the same people that ***** me last year ***** me again. But we have to essentially kind of work together in a way because everyone is coming for us anyway.
B: Every choice you make requires some amount of trust. No matter what we tried to do the frist two weeks we were here, we're telling you now that's not our agenda. You gotta trust someone along the way, and you have to take chances on people.. would you rather take a chance and trust us, or trust someone liek M? I understand Jase is a problem with us. Let's say he's with us in CT. If you don't go after him now, you still have him and I now when W decides to leave.
J: So you wouldn't care if Jase was up with W this week?
B: I want M gone. That's my best scenario. I can swallow it if Jase is put up.
W: I can't ask the girls to be put up. They're not jumping ship and kissing ass like M.
K: In order for this deal to go through, you want M up.
B: I'm not trying to be like "if you don't do this, I'm coming after you". What I've thought through is what would work best for the house, and I think that if Jase goes up, there's a chance that W will be gone. If M goes up, and we have your support with that, I know he goes home and that W stays. If you want to take out Jase after, so be it.
W: I'll go so far as to say that I will throw the next HOH, and you can put me up next week. I have no problem going up at any time. I couldn't care less, I'm trying to protect B. If there's a deal you want, we'll make it.
J: There's very few people I'm putting my trust in this time around.
Howie comes in, jokes around. James asks him to leave for a few minutes.
W: How is he in your alliance?
J: You guys put him in our alliance. There is no way I was planning on being with him.
W: He is terrible.
J: I have you guys to thank for me being in a H alliance.
W: I like H, I like H.
B: I get it. If you can get my support and do it with Jase up there, and not ***** with M, you get your cake and eat it too. But I'd obviously have Jase here over M. He would probably not vote against me. My question to you guys, what opposition would you have of M being put up? Would you be afraid of him coming after you if W does go?
J: I don't want to play this game scared of anybody. But it's not just me right now. Because of what happened prior, I am grouped with people I didn't want to be with becasue of what happened last season. But now things are clicking together.
B: Do you think this plan wouldn't work because you can't convince the others because of Janie's friendship with him?
J: Friendship is left at the door. It's not what's best for me anymore, it's what's the best for the collective. We are all put under the same pressure. If someone says they're going after H and K, if H gets the veto, it's either me or Janie going up next to them. That's how we have to think each week. That's the position we've been put in.
B: I'm trying to say that I'm not after you guys anymore, whether W is here or not. I ended up liking you guys more than I expected to, and I would much rather see the four of you run it to the end and one of you win. But if W leaves this week, and I'm put in a position where I have to do what's best for me. I will be willing to risk going home next week by going after the people that made that happen. I am trying to go as far as I can, but there is going to be a competition that I do well in, and I'd much rather be rolling with you guys. We'll give you guys whatever you want next week.
W: What's my agenda? I'm going out very soon, ask anyone else out there. I'll go out. Hopefully that speaks volumes, because you won't find anyone else willing to do that.
J: That's why I picked CG. It's perfect and easy.
B: If you and Kay talked after we left, and thought maybe this could work, did you think H and Janie would go for it?
J: If it sounds like it will work in their favor, they will be more ready to make it happen.
B: What do you want us to tell them when we walk out of here.
J: Tell him you didn't throw him under the bus. Just tell him that. He should probably come up here later anyway. The entire house has already been up here, they've beat you guys to it.
B: We're coming up here, we're laying it out. We know you guys are smart and talked through everything. The downside of us being together in CT is that it draws attention. But the upside is that if we say we're supporting you, that brings a lot. M can't offer that. If M goes and Jase gets HOH, he is with us. You can look him in the eye and tell him yourself. It's funny how crazy the birthday thing was, but it served as a calming thing. It was like "you really don't want to ***** with these guys, or you will go home early".
W: I get saving me. I can't thank you because I don't mind going home, but I can respect it. I won't throw anyone but myself under the bus. For B, this is the best case scenario. This is a logical progression. What's gonna happen when you put M and E up together? It's gonna be hellish, he's gonna throw a diva week. I think the whole house would support it. If not, fine, I'll be gone.
Janie walks in, and game talk stops. W now talking about his girlfriend, and saying that she's awesome but probably dumped him while he's on the show.
Posting this now. Sorry for typos and things.. it's hard to type this fast!  |
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