(this continues on from other bits already posted in Updates)
K - we're still operating under the pretense that you think this is wrong. this is borderline like sinful
I - i think this place is everything against your religion. i do honestly believe that
K - i don't believe that
I - the fact that you're trying to do something for yourself personally. maybe for your culture, that's different. But for your religion it's against it. it's everything against MY religion!!
K - in what sense?
I - thou shall not lie, thou shall not be around men, everything that my bible says, this place is not for it, do you know what i mean?
K - uh huh. well i agree there's a lot of potential for things to go wrong. there's a lot of temptation
I - you know, as much as you want to avoid it, you're eventually going to have to lie...you're eventually going to have to deceive..
K - hmmmmm
I - you ARE Kaysar, whether you think so or not. unfortunately that's just the way it is. you're going to have to hurt somebody. somebody who's your friend, you're going to have to step over them to eventually get to the end
HOWIE APPEARS and lays on bed, head to head with Ivette, and kisses her on top of her head
K - well you'd be surprised. i honestly believe that you don't have to. there are ways to play the game where you don't have to.
Howie - he's (inaudible) thinking of flying on his magic carpet ride here
K - what are you doing?
Howie keeps kissing Ivette on top of head and on her forehead. Howie says - I love the smell of latino
Ivette - when you
H - oh god
K - i don't know, i think
I - when i set you the example the other day, who did you end up really benefiting? nobody. you ended up hurting
K - i didn't really hurt anybody though because when that person came to me
I - you broke someone's trust
K - but when they came to me right after...hold on a sec because this kind of stuff happens all the time in the real world right?
I - uh huh
K - you can't, you're not ...like, i'm not an angel, i made a decision
H - you're muslim!
K - but what happened afterward
K & I chuckle at Howie's comment
K - immediately after that person (confronted me) i said right away, did i look away and say what are you talking about? i said yes i did (break your trust) I apologize. that's exactly what i did
I - mm hmmm
K - and i said i'm apologizing, i don't wanna seem untrustworthy, that's a decision i made in the moment, and i wanna take it back. and that was it, we went on from there.
I - cuz he was asking, he was saying, he's intrigued by how people perceive him and stuff like that (she's explaining to Howie why they're discussing this)
Howie - you're in the wrong environment (to Kaysar)
I - that was my opinion
H - you're stimul (???) should be on something else
I - but i honestly believe that
H - i do too!!
I - if i was a true practicing catholic that goes to church every sunday this would not be the environment for me, do you understand what i'm saying? nothing against you, nothing insulting, but that is honestly my belief
K - i understand. that's your opinion
H - but here you know you're not allowed to be around girls. we got tons of beautiful girls with boobies. you're not allowed to be around profanity, i got a potty mouth, james uh..mike he swears more than uh...
I - we're a disgrace!
H - than anybody in the world um..
I - do you know what i mean? i'm just saying like, as far as like..
(see James pacing in the background near them)
H - there's no desert here, you don't got camels, you're away from your environment
I - you're such an idiot! (to Howie) we're trying to have a serious conversation
H - i'm being serious!!
Kaysar laughing
H - go ahead, finish
Ivette holding her head in her hands. Howie says "sorry for offending you ivette" and kisses her head. Kaysar still laughing.
I - i'm talking about serious things
H - i'm as serious as...
K - a heart attack
H - a heart attack
K - thank you
H - knock on wood i don't have one
I - I mean, LOOK! there's 2 girls on top of each other over there massaging the crap out of each other
H - you can't be subjected to that crap!! (to Kaysar)
K - there's nothing sexual about that
H - put your blindfold on!!
Girl in background calls out - there's nothing sexual about what i'm doing. only when i do it to you ivette.
I - i'm saying, honestly, that might be found wrong (and she's pointing at kaysar) would that be found wrong?
K - no
I - if your sister was at her house, and a friend was on top of her massaging her like that, would that be wrong
K - no. you're looking too much into this
H - it's sarah's back..her boobies are exposable
K - you're trying to find fault in places where there's nothing wrong
(note: maggie is massaging sarah's back, we see as camera panned)
I - i'm asking you questions
H - you're sleeping in a frigging subway!!
K laughs
I to H - you're such an idiot
I - i'm asking you questions kaysar because!! KAYSAR
K - sorry i'm laughing at what he said
I - kaysar of course i'm gonna ask you if that's ok becasue you're saying...
Howie starts kissing Ivettes head again. She shuts up and rolls her eyes.
H - oh sorry i'm serious
K - i'm serious we're trying to have a conversation
H - go ahead go ahead
I - you're saying that there's other things which are not acceptable sometimes so I...you know what i mean?
K - yea
H - and what are they? what are some of your weaknesses? (asking Kaysar but Ivette jumps in)
I - as far as profanity, to me ...like, profanity is so normal. i don't curse in front of my parents. i try not to..
K - i think profanity is wrong
H - i learned profanity FROM my parents!
Ivette laughs
H - go ahead (to ivette)
Kaysar laughing
I - he is an idiot!
H - i learned to jerk off to a nudie magazine! go ahead go ahead...
I - is it possible, i mean seriously
H - i'm as serious as they come! 24/7!!! i'm dead serious. i'm serious.
Ivette looking at howie.
K - let me give you an example, i mean this is the real world, this is normal
Ivette says to Jennifer "are you ok?" Maggie or Sarah says "she's asleep"
K - for instance, take Howie. he's like..every inch of him is against...
H - we're opposites me and you?
K - yea
H - you're piling on the weights like a madman out there!
K laughs - but i love the guy, you know, he's a great guy,
I - but i think America is so big or in their real world, altho you can get subjected to it, you can walk away from it and can avoid it
K - i get what you're saying
I - here, you can't avoid a lot of things in this house
K - that's what you think you dont' know what my real life is like outside the house
I - you walk into temptation
Maggie - instead of having it around you, he's exposing himself purposefully to it is what you're saying
H - if you dont' want
I - pretty much. thanks for pretty much putting it in a box for me
H - if you don't want to gamble, stay out of the casino!!
I - exactly, like you said. if you go to south beach, you go aren't there beaches where i can go topless .. not on south beach but you can walk off. here you're everywhere
H - you're trapped in a topless beach
I - you got a gay boy, you got a disaster here (howie)
H - can you be around gays in the real world?
Beau arrives and sits on Howies lap.
H - did you feed him? oh my little beau beau
H - you said, kaysar, how do you know about my real life. so your'e saying you're really not a christian virgin muslim. are you a stripper and an exotic dancer in vegas? what's going on here?!
K - no i also have friends from different walks of life that also make different decisions. i'm not part of a cult mentality. i come from a place where i have diff types of friends. from diff nationalities and diff religions. that's the beauty of it. it's the same thing here more or less. and i appreciate that. a couple of days ago, Beau told me something that was very fascinating about the specific part of religion he believes in
Beau - i'm a baptist
K - and i dont' know .. that was specifically baptist so does it apply to all christianity??
H - yea yea
K - tithing..i didn't know that....
H - my little beau beau....does he need a leash in the house??? we've got a fence in the yard so he's fine (beau still on howie's lap)
Everyone laughs.
H - is his name tag on?? hugs and kisses beau beau. alright back to seriousness now...
K - yea so i learned about tithing. how would i have learned about that if i only stuck around people who only believe in the same thing as me? you know
Silence from Ivette for a minute and then...
I - i'm just, i'm just one of those people, it's not that i'm black and white, i'm just like, don't say one thing and do the other. i mean like people who tell me they're vegetarian, but i eat fish. Don't tell me you can kill this one animal and you can't kill the other. like
(see Hypocrit post in updates)
(continued in part 2....) |
